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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.

Rule 2: If your source is a reactionary website, please use archive.is instead of linking directly.

Rule 3: No sectarianism.

Rule 4: TERF/SWERFs Not Welcome

Rule 5: No ableism of any kind (that includes stuff like libt*rd)

Rule 6: Do not post fellow hexbears.

Rule 7: Do not individually target other instances' admins or moderators.

Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views. Comments/Posts made on other instances that are accessible from hexbear are an exception to this. Posts that do not meet this requirement can be posted to [email protected]

Rule 9: if you post ironic rage bait im going to make a personal visit to your house to make sure you never make this mistake again

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I'm trans and I really don't want to federated with these people if their mods are defending the -tard suffix and they aren't getting de-modded and banned. I also don't want to be federated with them if they ban critiquing western chauvinism.

Someone who is an admin and with more of a level head than me RN please talk to their admins about it.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Anybody else think all these lib instances that are shidding and farding because they're outnumbered by our powerful posters won't be here in a year? These people are all just temporarily annoyed redditors and they'll be back on reddit before Christmas.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago

That seems likely.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh, they'll probably shrink but stick around IMHO

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Definitely possible, but I suspect the admins of instances that stall out will shut them down due to cost and management time required to keep them alive. Of course, they could also go the raddle direction and their admins could just make a bunch of sockpuppet accounts to talk to themselves with, so...

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

100%. The only reason to stick with a shitty Reddit clone instead of just going back to Reddit is because you can't use Reddit. "Can't use Reddit" isn't a technical limitation but a social and political one. The main people who will actually stick with Lemmy are:

  1. Socialists

  2. Unhinged fascists (cryptofascists are okay on Reddit)

  3. People who engage in illegal shit (piracy, shoplifting, drug dealing, pedo shit)

You can use this to predict whether an instance will completely stagnate and how fast an instance will become fascist. Beehaw are shriveling into irrelevance because they shut the door for all three. Lemmy.world will become fascist because they defed from 1 and 3. And once Blahaj shut the door on us, the chaser infestation in their community will only grow stronger, and their instance will eventually fall to unhinged fascists as their instance rots from within.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Their reason for removing your post was really "imagine being this braindead?"

They're certainly not encouraging us to act in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the image that's nakoichi whose comments were deleted.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

How do even respond in good faith? I've tried in my other comment in this thread, but it's a position that's to the right of the current US Secretary Of State, Antony Blinken. Even Blinken acknowledged the history of communist movements in the third world.

"The Soviet Union was supportive of the freedom forces in South Africa, and of course unfortunately, more than unfortunately, the United States was much too sympathetic to the apartheid regime, so that history also doesn’t get erased, you know, overnight, it's a process," Blinken said.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a yikes from me.

Also, I have a family member with an intellectual disability, so it sticks in my craw when someone tries to defend it as innocent. It's fine if someone throws it out and then gets corrected (think of the Chapos, they quit using it after all), since for a long time it was "acceptable." But to try and defend yourself after correction.... lenin-rage

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Not just people with intellectual disabilities either, plenty of nuerospicy people and people with mental illnesses are also called the R slur.

Given how many trans people are autistic(as am I) they really should know better.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah it's really fucked up. I love the mod, after they drop it, is like "(I am a vocal socialist and very far left)." WHERES YOUR SENSE OF HUMANITY TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE DISABLED/NEUROATYPICAL MFER. Really enrages me. Like, the idea that you shouldn't apologize and do better about this, that's fascist thinking rather than leftist.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone who claims to be socialist and is viewing people as intellectually inferior needs a thorough and stern talking to and to not be let anywhere near power at minimum

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no more half measures walter

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

It's also like, mfer, there's plenty of other ways to dunk on LIB mfers. You can talk about their brainworms , the the-democrat demon energy of their party, the liberalism hypocrisy.

But instead, they add a really gross suffix. And for what? It doesn't pack any punch except to those of us sensitive to these kinds of issues. It's not like a LIB is going to get offended by it! They are frothingfash underneath, as we all know, so they're probably fine with deleting or confining the "surplus population" of disabled along with the homeless.

Doesn't help it's a mod too, so it's like, this is someone with power and sanction.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

nuerospicy people

Oh that's a good term. I like that

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeahhh I'm generally pro-federation but going so far as to not only use ableist language but to remove criticism of it is a big yikes. I think blahaj's admin and our admins are trying to work together and make it work, but 196's mods are actively opposed and trying to burn the bridge. Blahaj was there before and accepted a 196 lifeboat, possibly without knowing too much about them.

I'm still in favor of federation but if we're expected to tone it down then we need it to go both ways. Otherwise we're not losing much.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

accepted a 196 lifeboat, possibly without knowing too much about them.

I'm really hoping this is the case

I'm sick of feeling like I need to tiptoe around people who are acting like shitheads lest I offend them and ruin it for everyone

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's all I have to say for that second comment being removed. These people think leaders like Nelson Mandela are "tankies". Like even most libs can recognise why people in Africa have aligned with communists. Holy hell, even the current US Secretary Of State, Antony Blinken, can recognise that history.

The African National Congress party, which has governed South Africa since white minority rule ended in 1994, had strong ties to the former Soviet Union, which trained and supported anti-apartheid activists during the Cold War. Nelson Mandela, South Africa's anti-apartheid hero, who died in 2013 and was a global icon, was regarded with suspicion by Washington during the Cold War and was even on the U.S. terrorism watch list in that era.

"The Soviet Union was supportive of the freedom forces in South Africa, and of course unfortunately, more than unfortunately, the United States was much too sympathetic to the apartheid regime, so that history also doesn’t get erased, you know, overnight, it's a process," Blinken said.

Imagine being to the right of Antony Blinken and the journalists at Reuters.

Can't wait for some liberal to say that Mandela made the wrong decision and should have aligned with the US and NATO during apartheid. Or that Mandela was wrong to look up to Fidel, Mao and Che. I'll just leave you with some quotes from Mandela:

"I read works by and about Che Guevara, Mao Tse-tung, Fidel Castro. In Edgar Snow’s brilliant Red Star Over China I saw that it was Mao’s determination and non-traditional thinking that had led him to victory."

“The revolution in China was a masterpiece, a real masterpiece. If you read how they fought that revolution, you believe in the impossible. It’s just miraculous.”

"From its earliest days, the Cuban Revolution has also been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of the vicious imperialist-orchestrated campaign to destroy the impressive gain made in the Cuban Revolution."

"Within that international support for our struggle the Soviet Union and other socialist countries stood out. The governments and peoples of the socialist bloc gave material, moral and political support to our struggle in a manner and on a scale that we will never be able to repay."

mandela

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Also thanks to @[email protected] for being so cool. Always has our backs

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

"But was he a person of NATO? Thought so tankie." - Blahaj

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

"Hexbear is like the Donald" - an instance blocking comments that are critical of their bigoted content

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Nelson Mandela was a communist. Was the final recipient of the Lenin Peace Prize from the Soviet Union. And (re)wrote a book titled "How to be a Good Communist" while in prison where the first lines of the book reads:

A Communist is a member of the Communist Party who understands and accepts the theory and practice of Marxism-Leninism as explained by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin , and who subjects himself to the discipline of the Party.

His remarks on receiving the Lenin Peace Prize after finally getting out of prison are here: http://www.mandela.gov.za/mandela_speeches/2002/021028_lenin.htm

I think this part is relevant:

As we remember the support from the Soviet Union and the socialist states, it is fitting that we also pay tribute to our historic partnership with the South African Communist Party.

We remember how South African communists came to the material support of the ANC at a time when the police were raiding our offices almost on a daily basis, depleting us of our resources to pay our full-time officials. We can never forget those concrete acts of solidarity.

The SACP has been trustworthy and dependable allies over decades as part of our movement in all its formations. Our relationship with the Soviet Union and the socialist world had much to do with their presence in our ranks.

Of course, liberals leave all of this out when praising Mandela.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The list of people whose socialist, anarchist, and communist politics have been written out of history is enormous. One that strikes me has always been Helen Keller. She was a noted and popular speaker in the early 20th century, but when she began speaking authoritatively about leftist struggle she was blacklisted from media and the story that gets told in schools - a story mostly about the teacher she worked with to develop speech and communication methods suitable for her disabilities - began to be shaped.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yeah that fucking tracks for funny-clown-hammer enjoyers badeline-jokerfied

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Quick, someone criticize (the thing that vaush is that needs a cw) in 196 and see what happens

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Banning comments critical of ableism is way beyond anything that a hexbear has ever done. This is absolutely damning stuff. This isn't a random user or something. It's ~~an admin~~ a mod over there.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The mod team on blahaj are absolutely atrocious. Other than Ada, who seems to actually engage in good faith and tries to foster at least some level understanding, their mods respond to our mods wanting to talk by leaking DMs and general bad-faith attitude. When Ada requested that direct DMs from our mods not be shared, there was some shitty scribbling and effective refusal to comply, and now also this modlog?

Everyone's a lib, that's fine. But the blahaj mods are just actively playing troublemaker at this point and don't seem interested in any kind of actual good faith interaction. They never have seemed it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I disagree. The admin is part of the problem as well. They're just playing some good cop bad cop routine, with her being the good cop. If she really cared, those mods would be long gone. That's her prerogative as admin. Like, she could just completely shut down the Lemmy site and focus more on the Blahaj Mastodon, which is the actual flagship Blahaj website.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

surprised-pika-messed-up tfw the seemingly anti-bigotry libs are deep down just as reactionary as fascists

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Another interesting snippet of the modlog. They're an "anarchist". thinkin-lenin

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Just purge the fucking mod, obviously they arent in a place to fairly moderate a community

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently they went to bat to die on the hill defending chasers in 196 to the degree that the head mod had to step in at some point, there's no way this person isn't a child

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

I'm always willing to bet on adults being shitty.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Anarcho-NATO-Bidenism lol

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

You hate r-word because you think it's ableist.

I hate r-word because it reminds me of imageboard culture, and also think it's ableist.

We're mostly the same.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well now what do we have here? Caught in the act and no gold to pay the fine

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a good example for why we need more tea and less "we're working with their admins". Obviously their admins don't care.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

I wonder how much blajah users are even aware of this behavior.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Hexbear is like 4chan because Hexbear is mean to people. Blahaj is not like 4chan despite using 4chan suffixes.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's just say that 196 is a serious point of contention in what should otherwise be a good relationship with blahaj. Our brave admins are working on it.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

(disclaimer, I'm not trans) yeah, my general attitude on blahaj at this point is "fuck 'em." I understand that there's a desire to bolster and grow the trans space on lemmy, but these people suck, and frankly I feel like the cool ones that we'd want community with would just make accounts here anyway if the two were de-federated.

I understand also that most of the problem originates specifically from their 196 community, but if the broader blahaj instance chooses to allow them to act like this unchecked, then there's no reason for hexbear to go out of our way to appeal to their instance.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Vaushites are basically all scratched liberals, its concerning that theyre allowed in the space.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't this instance neoliberal? Why are we federated with these fucks in the first place

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This particular mod previously ran 196 and now runs it on blajah iirc, I think the rest of the instance is better although I'm not sure by how much.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago

196 users when someone says they should direct their energy towards very real fascists instead of an imagined "tankie" threat: 🤯

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm also salty because they deleted my explanation of how middle and large workplaces in the DPRK work (dual control, women's league, etc) as "tankie shit"

For those unfamiliar, Google "taean work system"

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

This whole federation experiment has been frustrating. solidarity

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Yeah at that point we should pull the trigger first that is unexcusable behavior.

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