So ... all reports of the CPUs performance being shit or way below expectations are just due to windows. As always.
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I hate reviewers doing that. It's like buying a sports car and rating it on what you are legally allowed to drive. It doesn't make any sense. Also, windows performance will vary extremely depending on privacy settings, edition and country (eg. due to the EUs privacy regulations). A minimal Arch setup will ALWAYS be the same in every aspect. No new shit no one needs. No performance-wasting malware by default. Just an OS.
Reviewers like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed serve the Windows gamer market first. If you game on Windows you want to know the best price/performance for your purposes. Benchmarking kernel compiles and database transactions on Linux has zero relevance to a Windows gamer, particularly if Microsoft bugs cause the performance not to translate.
If we only looked at raw hardware performance and ignored platform support we might evaluate Nvidia only on Windows and determine they are the best graphics cards for Linux users which would be insane. Platform support matters to an audience.
The vast majority of sports cars never ever drive on a circuit so yes they should be tested on normal roads.
The argume t would be that their job is to advise buyers on the performance they would see. If most buyers are using windows and gaming then they should report windows gaming numbers.
However, there's a lot of people who aren't doing that and I'm not sure where we are meant to get our numbers from. Phronix I guess.
Yeah really should be testing on freebsd and minimal linux distros. Could much easier automate the entire test process then too
But the numbers would mean nothing for the consumers. You abstract away too much and reduce it too far for anyone outside the loop to make sense
The opposite really, you'd be able to see when consumers are getting screwed over due to the OS
You would have to keep the windows reviews too
Youre confusing comparison of os' with hardware reviews. It makes no sense to use an arch benchmark for a public is majority windows based gamers. The arch benchmark would make sense for a journalistic piece about windows having terrible performance.
Hence why id love for gamers nexus to investigate this using a linux to windows comparison for the same task. However, this would no longer have anything to do with zen5
Hard disagree, if you only ever test on windows then you're testing the OS, not the hardware. You should be testing on both
Yeah, it was already found to be a bug in the Windows scheduler
I would hold on the conclusion for now. Steve from HW Unboxed tested both Zen 4 and Zen 5 with the "supposed" fix and both had improved performance so the rough difference between Zen 4 and Zen 5 remained almost the same as the issue was affecting both. We will need to see more tests though to draw a reasonable conclusion. We don't yet know if this also affects older Zen 3 at all or not.
Something is wrong with the Windows scheduler and these new chips. The Linux results aren't revolutionary, but they're about what you'd expect from what AMD marketed in terms of IPC uplift.
More reviewers should benchmark hardware on multiple operating systems.
The new gamer's nexus review outlines some pretty specific prerequisites that AMD sent to fix performance on Windows, and AMD didn't communicate those until they'd had the review units for days.
Yes, but even then the Phoronix results seem to suggest a larger gap in performance.
On a slight tangent, Phoronix is effin awesome
Michael has written more than 20,000 articles since 2004, plus he is the lead developer of the Phoronix Test Suite, Phoromatic, and OpenBenchmarking.org. This guy is a one man army!
Yeah it never ceases to amaze me how much work that guy does, it's amazing
Phoronix is the ONLY website I disable uBlock Origin for.
I think I have so many little privacy tweaks over the years that even when I disable ublock origin on Phoronix. It still thinks I am using an ad blocker.
Other than the anti adblock shit they use.
Do they? I've seen it, you can still browse it with an ad blocker. A pop-up will appear once in a while asking you to disable it, but there is the option to not pay and continue using it without ads.
This is... Interesting. I would love for gamers nexus to investigate this tbh. Means something is horribly wrong in windows ( shown by the wtf steps reviewers had to go through ).
Im also curious at the performance uplift of zen5 in linux in regard of handbrake. Amd claimed a 40% uplift there which i guess might have been in linux and with a very specific clip?
Handbrake uses avx512 and zen5 significantly improved on avx512
Yes, but in reviews the handbrake benchmarks didnt even get close to the 40% amd claimed
That's encouraging, 3ven though these models are out of my price range.
I'm planning to build a new system pretty soon. With Intel 13 an 14th Gen woes, AMD CPU releases and upcoming (Septmber) AM5 Motherboards, my planning is in constant flux.
Can someone PLEASE do some reviews of the Strix Point CPUs running Linux on notebooks?