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Similar to the time Soviet Russia wanted to join the anti-Soviet alliance which was trying to pretend wasn't made to plot against the soviets.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 2 months ago (16 children)

So I'd get reddit content without having to deal with reddit's nonsense layout and terrible app? That sounds kinda nice actually.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago

Which makes me think they won't do that, at least until they realize their current plan won't work out in the long run. So far they've been going in the opposite direction by locking down everything:

  • killing off third party apps
  • making it difficult to access on old Reddit or mobile web
  • only letting search engines index the site if they pay
  • talk of paywalling subreddits
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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I meaaaan, while I did join Lemmy because I was sick of reddit the company's greedy decisions, I do miss the amount of users and content it has/generates. If reddit joining the fediverse meant they couldn't dictate what app I use to view their posts, I probably would enjoy being able to browse their content again.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can kinda already do that, apps like rdx, Stealth, and Geddit pull reddit content without using the API. You can't vote/comment, but you can still follow communities that have worthwhile content.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

~~I'LL~~ I WON'T BE BACK

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago

We already have Lemmy.World no need for two of them

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OK, I'll get stoned for saying this, but I'd welcome it if done properly.

It's a large user base, lots of niche communities.

The more complicated part would be moderation, as that's already a problem now. Also, resources may be a problem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

None of its supposed assets make up for the corporate overlords who run it and promote or permit all sorts of terrible things

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

Lemmy.world already exists unfortunately

I do miss some of the subreddits though

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I came to Lemmy because I disliked what Steve Huffman did to reddit.

I’d be completely fine with the users being here. I do miss the whole active community for every niche little thing part. If if federates that’d be neat.

It won’t, since greedy Steve Huffman can’t sell the fediverse to Google while screwing 3rd party devs and users that make it what it is. But I’d welcome it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

I miss the reddit I loved. Life is not the same anymore. I can't just google for anything reddit and find sources. The community was on a level never seen before or after. I too welcome all the people who made it great. Bots and ads and ads and ad bots can have their wasteland.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Add their instance to my block list

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As long as it didn't pollute the fedi timeline with ads, AI slop and partnered posts, that'd be OK to me... (If someone worrying about our posts/comments being used by AIs, it's already happening even for those instances that does not federate with Threads; Proofs? Once I searched for my own username and I got surprised on how my fediverse posts are spread all across the results through federated instances that I never heard about, so if my fedi content shows on Google, it's certainly being fed to some AI datasets)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

people just dont understand how public the fediverse is.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It is radically public. It's designed to broadcast your content to hundreds of other peoples' computers running all manner of different software which might then rebroadcast it to yet more. The whole architecture is oriented toward spreading things far and wide, and what tools exist to restrict the audience or retract content already shared are little more than polite suggestions.

That's not a flaw, but people using it should understand how it works so they don't run into surprises.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

lemmy.world is already federated

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Came to say this. Its basically indistinguishable except the numbers are smaller. Its why I stopped using my .ml account too because they spread. They are in your house now

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The same way we dealt with threads. Defederation.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wdym, reddit already joined fediverse, it's called lemmy.world.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

I'd be very down to be able to subscribe to a couple select subs back there.

But I'd also be a bit disappointed because several Reddit communities have fediverse versions that are just nicer to be in, and I'm not so sure they'd survive if people could just go interact with the reddit equivalents via federation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It would be the death of this side of the federated internet. The amount of content it would generate once federated would crush existing servers. You would have to defederate or face near instant storage shortages. The federated que would take years to sync.

Anyway, it wouldn't happen because they would need to transmit real vote counts instead of fuzzy vote counts. You would be able to see how every single person on reddit voted. Which would simply expose the vote manipulation going on there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

It would instantly de-fed from all the cool people, all the shitty leminitors probably would be reabsorbed back into fed-Reddit and those Reddit clone lemmy comms would die.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

it wont happen, that would basically be broadcasting reddit content to servers whose intention is to offer it up the public for free (no ads).

if we cant utilize their api without paying through the nose, there is zero chance theyll let activitypub do it for free.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

They can do what they want, but if they want my contribution, they play by our rules.

Free, public API to support 3rd party readers. None of this paid API extortion, ads, super upvote monetization nonsense. AI generated stupid discussion communities I will block on sight.

More vibrant and active niche communities I will be happy to receive but I do like things as they stand too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, I'd be happy. I know Reddit as a whole sucks, but there are individual communities that still hold value. I miss active communities for niche crafts, I miss fandoms, and I miss actual life-changing shit like trans DIY, especially for countries outside the US.

I mainly stopped using Reddit because they killed third-party apps. If I could access Reddit from here, that'd be a pretty sweet deal for me.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

i feel like it would get defed from places like hexbear pretty fast so it wouldn't bother me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

That's the same as asking how we would feel if Facebook decided to join the fediverse. The way instances reacted to that, would be the way they'd react to reddit, or twitter, or any of the enshitified tech giants.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I would get banned from their instance for saying I approve of people physically fighting Nazis. It would be nice to have more people to fill out niche communities though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Believe it or not, straight to jail.

For real tho I like this place better.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Poorly, I left for a reason.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Would be among the first to suggest a reddit-defederation pact to be honest.

Kinda like how peeps on Mastodon/Misskey/etc. have their anti-threads pact.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I'd start consuming content that originates on Reddit again, for one thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cool. Biggest reason I quit reddit was I hate was them enforcing their dumb layout. While there exists other reasons like powermods, If I can visit it through mastodon or lemmy; why not really?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Federating with Reddit completely idiotic for any Lemmy instance.

They will only gain limited traffic, and their userbase will be swamped by Redditors.

There is zero incentive for Lemmy admins to do this, and huge incentives not to do this.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I'd use it again from my home instance. It would be a show of good faith that they're letting people integrate with their API again, even if that API is just the standard activity pub one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Everyone would likely defederate from them, much in the same way that you all rushed to close the shutters upon Threads.

I also don't ever see this happening, unless Spez fucks up with Reddit so badly that it sparks a mass user exodus, much in the same way that Digg v4 sank any hopes of Kevin Rose remaining a successful tech entrepreneur.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't subscribe to any subreddits though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

This would be a horrible thing because, even if we get more communities here, reddit now would have the vast majority of the fediverse in their hands. It would only be a matter of time before reddit would pull a microsoft to try and extinguish it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think they would do that unless Lemmy continues to grow to a point where it challenges Reddit. Then it becomes a technical issue. I don't think they can do that. It was one thing for threads to do it, being designed with that in mind from day 1, but it's completely different for Reddit to do it. There are so many features that just wouldn't make the jump, and so much content that would need to be reworked.

If they were going to do it, it would most likely be a clean break where you just can't access old Reddit content on Lemmy, but all their new stuff would be accessible.

I also just don't see them giving away their content like that after cracking down on the API how they did.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

You're looking for Lemmy.world, and the answer is that it swallows up the larger part of the main federated instances, and becomes one of the worst instances.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

"Anti-slave owner posting is back on the menu comrades!"

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If they do, I surely wouldn't trust Spez to be acting in good faith. I would expect them to Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish the fediverse

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The best I've got is, it's complicated. I left reddit very purposely to avoid a lot of the corp side BS and the results of that on the user base. The number of bots and bought/paid accounts alone is enough of a reason not to go back. It's been getting pretty steadily worse for the last decade at least and while I think the fediverse is kind of toxic, I know for a fact from first hand experience that reddit is more so by a large margin. I want Lemmy to have more users and more communities. I miss reddit for the sheer number of niche communities that haven't moved over. I don't have time to start and moderate a community myself. But I don't want reddit here. I welcome users who want to follow the rules. I don't welcome wholesale reddit occupation of this space.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Long as none of them were given mod powers, nbd

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