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    [–] [email protected] 113 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Use whatever fits your use case. Hell build a LFS distro. That's why it's YOUR computer.

    The penguin is the messiah of freedom.

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

    Sometimes its not my computer though, sometimes its a server at work and it needs pure debian. It does not need snap. It does not need ubuntu-advantage.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    i would like a Live For Speed distro

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    [–] [email protected] 74 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Ubuntu is just Debian with adware

    [–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Are the Ubuntu ads in the room with us right now? The only thing I remember is apt telling you about Ubuntu Pro. At that point Plasma is adware too for advertising their donation page.

    [–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago

    remember when Canonical pushed Ads in Unity? That commentator remembers.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    There was the Amazon thing in the launcher years ago

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    [–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ubuntu forks that ditch snap > Ubuntu

    [–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

    I wouldn't even mind snap so much but the day I found out apt would automatically use snaps instead for some packages with no easy opt out was a step too far.

    Drop it, snaps are dead. All hail FlatPak.

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    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yeah, why does Ubuntu keep snap?

    Like, WTF is the deal with not having any official way to install Firefox other than snap? Firefox.

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

    Because canonical, who make ubuntu, also make snap. So it gets shoved down your throat. This is why I don't use Ubuntu.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Fyi, Mozilla released an official apt package a couple months ago to get Firefox without snap

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    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

    This is coming from the same company that put Amazon ads on the dash

    [–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Ubuntu's role in the ecosystem is important. They are good at first luring people into using linux. Then the users get pissed off of Ubuntu, because of Snap, ads, or whatever random crap they know from Windows. Finally, they move on to better options, be it Arch, Debian, or Puppy. Ubuntu ensures they don't all stick to the same

    [–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Don't forget mint, i started linux journey 2 months back and it's going great with few mishaps.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Aww mint, you never forget your first, it’s a bit mundane for me now, these days if it hasn’t taken of its desktop and said sudo me harder daddy 3 seconds after It posts I move on to the next young model.

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    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Ubuntu’s role in the ecosystem is important.

    I think it used to be. There's still some inertia, but Canonical has used up a lot of goodwill through the years and other distributions have picked up the slack.
    Nowadays I wouldn't point a newcomer towards Ubuntu. It's trash. Just use anything else.

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    [–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (36 children)

    Snap should be reason enough that everyone should abandon Ubuntu, especially when Mint is right there. The last thing we need is to make Linux more like Android+Google Play.

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    [–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Hasn't Debian relaxed its stance and now allows you to fairly easily use nonfree software?

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

    yes, I think the main thing is when the nonfree firmware was included (user can opt-out) as a default at install. So out of the box support for most common hardware became way better.

    It was always pretty easy to add nonfree repositories, but having to manually sort out wifi firmware after an install was a pain.

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yes this meme is dated. You can run proprietary stuff in bookworm with just a couple of check boxes.

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    [–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

    Ubuntu: Shoves snaps, netplan, and horrible documentation down your thoat

    Literally every other distro: Here's our standardized system, do what you want

    [–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ubuntu is no longer chad as it pushes snaps everywhere. Real chad uses native packaging only. Lol

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    [–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ubuntu supports a wider range of devices than Debian? Since when? I was under the impression that Debian supported all or nearly all architectures the Linux kernel supports, Ubuntu only a few popular ones?

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Maybe they meant of the box. You have to add additional repos to get non-free drivers installed on Debian or install them manually.

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    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Linux Mint Debian edition! 💪

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    [–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

    you do you. But ubuntu is the windows of linux from the perspective of telemetry, propertiary software and such. Like if ur gonna switch to linux might aswell "fully" switch

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    This is a flawed opinion. You can support a realistic approach of using proprietary software for usability's sake without approving of things like ad profiles. (I say that instead of telemetry because benign things like crash reporting or reporting which features you use are technically also "telemetry".)

    Listen, I support foss as much as anyone here but there's a reason SSPL didn't get accepted as a foss license, and it's because it's impossible to have a fully 100% foss system. I'm not saying we shouldn't push for or advocate for that, just saying we shouldn't say someone isn't fully embracing Linux just because they need to use a few pieces of proprietary software to get a working system that supports their individual needs.

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Debian includes proprietary software just like Ubuntu does.

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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    They are good distros for beginners. But over time some people switch to Arch-based systems or NixOS. Because of HUGE software list that you can install without much hassle, you don't have to add 3-rd party repositories or PPAs or figure out how to install .tar.gz package in your system or how to compile from source. You just type one command to install something hard to obtain in other distros.

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    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I used to use Ubuntu in the past, and it wasn't Unity, Upstart, Bazaar, Mir, Launchpad, Snap, Amazon ads integration etc. that convinced me to look elsewhere, it was that I found out how other, not commercial distributions, integrated and instrumented its user base into their development.

    Instead of having to sign a CLAs when contributing and signing your right away to some corporation, you become part of the community. (Update: It seems they have switched from their Copyright assignment, so something not as invasive in 2011, which is good. But they still require you to sign a CLA.)

    So always look who is developing the distribution first, are they individuals or is it one company. And don't let yourself be bated into the dependency of one company, because then you will be the victim of enshittyfication eventually.

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