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While I am quite excited about the Walton Goggins-infused Amazon Fallout series, the show debuted some promo art for the project ahead of official stills or footage and…it appears to be AI generated.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 year ago (11 children)

My guess is that AI’s first big victim for graphic design will be stock art. Previously, crap like that background asset would just be stock purchased from Getty or Adobe stock. Now it can be generated.

I’m already starting to use it instead of paying for bullshit licenses.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've been using AI for school and work, as God intended: give it the raw, have it do the grunt organization work, and then proofread to correct anything.

There is very little to say that hasn't been said. For an example of our limitations as humans, there's only 50ish unique plot lines in the English language. To expect each person to be completely original is asinine.

It's a tool, one of many in my toolbox. People who are just flat against any and all AI or LLMs are behind the curve.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

For an example of our limitations as humans, there’s only 50ish unique plot lines in the English language.

How would the unique plotlines be determined by the language they're told in? Why would the amount of plotlines be based on human cognitive capabilities? None of this makes sense.

Either way, "unique plotline" doesn't mean anything, from the perspective of literary or narrative studies. There's no universal, objective way to dissect narratives, and they cannot be boiled down to a distinct number of basic models. There have been attempts to get to the most fundamental narrative model (Greimas, Campbell), but they're far from widely accepted.

People who are just flat against any and all AI or LLMs are behind the curve.

Art is, by itself, not something that has "the curve". If you're doing something with very practical goals and need hyperproduction, sure, but art is not necessarily made or consumed with such a logic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much.

People very frequently complain about AI taking the jobs of artists. But if the money was never actually going to be put on the table for artists to claim, I really don't think that was going to help much.

That doesn't mean I hate artists what do, absolutely not. It's just that artists are people and people are limited in how much they can do at any single time.

For the past couple of months. I've currently been waiting on multiple artists to finish up their commission queue. And one of which I'm worried I'll have to turn away because of a variety of life changes in my life that's led me to losing my job and me having reduced income.

As of right now, the costs of generating a picture with a tool like Stable Diffusion or DALL-E has been pretty low, the former even being free if you have the right hardware. And these systems manage to be almost always available, as well as being capable of working in a matter of seconds.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that these tools are only good at painting the bigger picture. They have a tendency to choke on the smaller details. And I would personally rather wait for an actual person to be available to work on something original that's also capable of filling a niche that AI models have yet to be trained on.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This entirely disregards the fact that the training of these models was done on human artists' work without consent or renumeration. As it is, it is not "AI", It is just a glorified plagiarism machine. Not to say it isn't impressive, but it has already stolen work already done by artists and further stealing upcoming work by mashing together older works.

There's ways to do it ethically by training on artwork with permission kind of like how Adobe is doing it, but that isn't going to have as wide of a reach as the other free ones.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Graphic designers aren’t the first. Automation ended a lot of jobs for decades. Ai is just a form of automation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The wheel is a form of automation

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even mind the use of AI art in this context, but the fact that they couldn't be bothered to do a little touch-up speaks a lot to the quality that can be expected from their show.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Their absolute mangling of the Wheel of Time tells me exactly what to expect from this show.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't even get past 30 min. After seeing what they did to Mat's family and character I was out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Perrin is already married? Nope, out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They did Mat so dirty the actor playing him peaced out before they finished filming the first season

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The LOTR show that they spend a cool billion on is awful as well...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But Egwene could totally be the DR, you guys...

🙄

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That means no copyright- woohoo go nuts!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago

Quoting the U.S. Copyright Office's own guidance:

In other cases, however, a work containing AI-generated material will also contain sufficient human authorship to support a copyright claim. For example, a human may select or arrange AI-generated material in a sufficiently creative way that “the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship.” Or an artist may modify material originally generated by AI technology to such a degree that the modifications meet the standard for copyright protection

Don't go nuts.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a viral marketing campaign. I hadn't heard of the show, now I have. It's a fuck you to artists and a planned rage bait to get people talking about the show.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah I thought so, there would be no way that they'd screw up like that unless it was intentional

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm a little skeptical that it's AI generated because a lot of those details could be the result of kitbashing, which is especially common with concept art (here's an example from Guild Wars 2). It could be they just grabbed a piece of concept art, slapped some promo stuff on top of it and called it a day. That said, considering how much of a hard-on Hollywood has for AI, I wouldn't put it past them to generate promo art with an AI.

I wasn't planning on watching it anyway, but I wanted to throw in my two cents.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

That car is such an AI dead giveaway.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

That’s clearly not kitbashing, when you have a car completely backwards and don’t even bother to fix it. Why would the perspective be mostly correct yet be backwards? You’d have to pull from two sources that had a) the exact same art style, b) have the same perspective, yet c) have one of the cars be backward. And finally d) not give a shit about it to correct it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well this is already taking points off for sure. But let's see if the show is good. If they stay true to the games and create a truly unique show, maybe it will be worthwhile.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The current fallout developers aren't even staying true to the games anymore so my hopes aren't high for the series

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How will they stay true to the games? It’s not The Last of Us where you literally play through a story. Fallout is all about exploring the wasteland at your own pace and shaping the world as you see fit.

Every game has had times when I’ve sat and seriously considered a choice that had massive consequences and mixed both benefits and steep drawbacks. Like in The Pitt, where you have to decide whether to kill a baby’s parents in front of it to liberate the people enslaved there. On a tv show, they’ll have the main character… mull it over and make a decision for the audience? How do you even translate that?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly. They just have to follow the in game universe and how it operates. Obviously they can not have us as watchers dictate what happens but instead transfer that look. , Feeling to the person on screen. As long as they get the universe of fallout correct it will do good. All they have to do is make a good story if they fail at that then gg.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t personally care so much about strict (some amount is needed) game-lore following but I would want to have it feel the same if that makes sense.

I want to feel the wastes and the personalities and ideologies that have reigned supreme since the bombs fell. I wanna feel that mystery and that goofiness that I’ve come to love from each of these games.

Can’t flop harder than 76 did and I got a feeling Bethesda is gonna take extra long on the next one, hence this tv show to satiate for a bit (maybe who tf knows it’s Bethesda and Amazon man)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without someone pointing it out you'd have not even noticed that it's AI generated. As most people don't look at this art longer than a second.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just throwing this out there because we don't know for sure - but my hope is that Amazon paid their graphic designer/illustrator the regular rate for something like this and they saved themselves 90% of the time it would have taken by using Stable Diffusion and then took the rest of the day off.

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