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Russia asks at UN: If West aids Ukraine, why can't North Korea help us? (www.reuters.com)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Ukraine's U.N. Ambassador Sergiy Kyslytsya responded: "None of the countries that provide assistance to Ukraine is under Security Council sanctions." "Receiving assistance from the fully-sanctioned North Korea is a brazen violation of the U.N. Charter," he added. "Sending the DPRK troops to support Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine is a flagrant violation of international law."

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago

Oh right you mean boots on the ground, so you're cool with that then? Let's fucking go

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because you are the aggressor, fuckface.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Fuckface". Hey! I kinda like that!

.........fuckface.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It rolls off the tongue don't it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Well, when face fucking, the tongue does often play a key roll.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

More like in, amiright

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

( ° ͜ʖ °)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If NK soldiers are fighting with Russians, can we send an equivalent number of US soldiers to fight with the Ukrainians? How'd ya like them apples?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

The equivalent in jets and fighter pilots.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Oh? Maybe because you're waging an illegal war against a sovereign country? But if North Korea can send troops, then surely the West can too?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

flagrant violation of international law.

I think this is the most important nuance around this whole genocidal cluster fuck. What does international law mean if any one country can just fucking ignore it?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The USA never acknowledged "international law"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Which is also why the post cold war world order was doomed to fail. The only remaining super power not choosing the moral high ground severely damaged any prospects at a longer lasting peace.

"Rules for thee but not for me" also has an adverse effect in geopolitics, not only at work, school or any organization.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

What moral high ground?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Because it is a common set of rules that actions can be judged against. And this used to mean something. But just like with the laws in a country.. if a large group ignores it while being immune to the consequences you also have problems.

What I mean to say is that enforcement is key. In the case of Russia there are sanctions that grow and increasingly constrict daily. I'd argue they don't go far enough.. all trade with Russia should be stopped, full stop, but that will cause food issues for people in other countries. So it should be no trade except these items.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Hey Vassily, if Russia gets to call in a buddy to fight for them then why doesn't Ukraine?

Lot of bad jokes being told these days :-\

[+] [email protected] -24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They have already called in EU and US

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

European nations and the US presently have boots on the ground?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While nobody has officially send troops, there are a significant amount of professional soldiers from NATO states in Ukraine. Some of them volunteered sure, but I would assume that there are also special forces there, for let's say payed time off. This however does not change the original point, that the use of 10000+ NK soldiers changes the dynamic of the war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

The only quote on quote "official" foreign troops in Ukraine that we know of are UK troops programming Stormshadow missiles. Everyone else we know of are all private volunteers who joined Ukraine's army on their own. If NATO had actual troop involvement in Ukraine this war would be very quickly over (and I personally think we're just wasting lives & time for what is inevitably needed anyway).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I'm sure you can show us proof of US & EU armies fighting in Ukraine then?

[+] [email protected] -24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

if Russia gets to call in a buddy to fight for them then why doesn’t Ukraine?

it seems its just the other way around, dude. they got you that far already...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

While it has been public since late '22 that special forces from a few NATO countries are in Ukraine for advisory and training purposes, I am not aware of any credible evidence for them participating in front line fighting (unofficial/volunteers don't count).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which Western country has send troops to the Ukrainian front?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Which Western country has send troops to the Ukrainian front?

so just choosing how to exactly limit the question changes if "help in war" was provided? what if western countries just helped with some nukes instead of only some normal rockets or whatever was sent there to help? what if western countries troops quick-changed their passports to be ukrainians instead?(guess that secret agencies already have enough passport printing capabilities,or just get them printed on demand), would that be sufficient to say no "western" troops were sent even if it were millions of soldiers "from" the west?

but living in a propagandainfested country i'ld already expect such bad manipulations to happen instantaneous.

what if western countries didn't send "troops to the front" but to the rest of the country so that invading military would have to fight western troops while ukrainian troops could concentrate on the front. would that also not be help in war by your (seemingly) position?

or the other way around: what if one would only call the directly by russian soldiers occupied area (like 1m² where they each actually stand) would that still be an invasion or just a US-style visit with US style damaging of democracy and economics? manipulating questions is a bad propaganda habit and does not prevent wars, it creates them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

so just choosing how to exactly limit the question changes if "help in war" was provided?

No. It's based on the "help in war" that is actually received. Russia receives actual North Korean troops to fight for them.

what if western countries just helped with some nukes instead of only some normal rockets or whatever was sent there to help? what if western countries troops quick-changed their passports to be ukrainians instead?(guess that secret agencies already have enough passport printing capabilities,or just get them printed on demand), would that be sufficient to say no "western" troops were sent even if it were millions of soldiers "from" the west?

I like how you have to make up various made up straw man scenarios to counter something that is actually happening in real life. Ironically this is very much projection too, since Russia did more or less exactly that with their "little green men" since 2014.

but living in a propagandainfested country i'ld already expect such bad manipulations to happen instantaneous.

You mean RuZZia? lol

what if western countries didn't send "troops to the front" but to the rest of the country so that invading military would have to fight western troops while ukrainian troops could concentrate on the front. would that also not be help in war by your (seemingly) position?

Again. You make up a scenario that did not happen. But since you likely try to say that those made up scenarios would make it consequently okay for Russia to use those NK troops, then them using those troops anyway (which they do) means the West is allowed to actually put troops on the ground to liberate Ukrainian territory? :)

or the other way around: what if one would only call the directly by russian soldiers occupied area (like 1m² where they each actually stand) would that still be an invasion or just a US-style visit with US style damaging of democracy and economics? manipulating questions is a bad propaganda habit and does not prevent wars, it creates them.

Call? Like a telephone call? Or calling it a name? Please translate more coherently.