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[–] [email protected] 115 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The actual answer is that the seatbelt is there to keep your ragdoll ass from bouncing off the ceiling during heavy turbulence.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

For sure, anyone who has seen some of the videos of drink carts and luggage bouncing off the cabin ceilings during crazy turbulence shouldn't have any questions about the utility of seatbelts in less than catastrophic events.... Which of course is the goal even in 'crash' landings. There are crashes where seatbelts would obviously be worthless, but in anything short of that, you'll be happy that you weren't in a box with 300 human shaped dice being shaken up.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I read this horrible post a few years ago where a PoS passenger didn't buckle up. So the car drove off a cliff, her body flew and killed people in the back seat who were buckled up. The driver survived since he was buckled in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

this makes it sound like the driver intentiinally drove off the cliff in spite

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Lmao, "Buckle up right now or I'll have to show you what happens!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

O'Doyle rules!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Grew up with this...

https://youtu.be/mKHY69AFstE?si=l3cIZk4JJLoduGT5

...the UK didn't pull their punches with road safety ads in the 90s. Sorry for YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Had to watch a couple of these in American driving school in high school.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Australia had ads like that too.

https://youtu.be/jyYTPRX1CCQ

They relaunched this one a few years ago because of how effective it was in the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

I was watching one air accident documentary where the plane dropped so hard that people who were unbuckled were launched into the ceiling and people found their phones and laptops in the back of the plane.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago (3 children)

In the event of catastrophic damage leading to explosive decompression it should keep you from being sucked out into thin air. Like if the roof tears off like that one time. Or that Boeing thing. Or that other Boeing thing. Or that other other Boeing thing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The roof tearing off was a Boeing. an Aloha Airlines 737.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Or keep you from bouncing and hitting the ceiling in cases of extreme turbulence. Or yo help on cases of lower-speed crashes (cases where the plane goes into some nosedive are less likely), etc.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you follow avherald.com for any length of time, you'll learn that 1) the vast majority of aviation incidents are completely benign, and 2) the vast majority of injuries aboard airliners are caused by passengers not wearing their seatbelts. The seatbelts aren't there for the once-a-decade crash; they're there for the once-a-month strong turbulence event, which the airplane itself will barely even notice.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

And in the rare horrific crash, the seat will not remain attached to the floor anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago (1 children)

.....what? Obviously. It's for turbulence, which is common. This comic is a joke, but not how it's intended to be.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, comics are the primary legitimate source of facts so I'm sure it's true.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (8 children)

That sounds a bit sketchy... Now if you had presented that statement in comic form, I might believe it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

I like the use of perspective in that last panel

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wasn't this proven wrong on mythbusters too?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago

Yep - the seatbelt and the crash position are extremely effective at preventing death and lessening injuries

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (13 children)

Stupid question here, I guess, but why isn't there a system to potentially deliver commercial passengers and crew to the ground in case of a crash? Military jets have ejection seats and parachutes, so why don't we have at least something required for commercial aircraft in the same vein?

Is it the money that it would undoubtedly require?

Edit: misspelling

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Not a stupid question.

Between the training required for a solo parachute jump, and the cost (and more importantly) weight of the equipment, plus the relative safety of commercial flights, it's simply not justified.

In more than a few cases we've seen airliners make emergency landings that are gnarly, but the majority survive. In more cases than I can count, there's checks and balances that ground flights because of safety concerns either at the departure point or at the destination (icing, high winds, etc), or due to mechanical concerns.

It's rare that a fully inspected and functional aeroplane will fall out of the sky, and we do everything in our power to ensure that all planes that leave the ground are fully inspected and functional. Short of a freak occurrence, like a fast forming weather phenomenon, there's so many checks and balances that airliner crashes are exceedingly rare.

So not only is a crash rare, there's no guarantee that a crash will be fatal, usually the pilot can at least get the plane on the ground without killing everyone aboard, and the fact that it's a massive amount of extra weight that requires training that the average person doesn't have, there's little point and nearly nothing to gain from doing something like that, while it would have significant downsides on flight efficiency and increase the costs of fuel per flight due to the extra weight.

Then there's the consideration of, even if they were able to successfully parachute to the ground, what then? It's pretty much a guarantee that nobody has a radio, and that you're far enough away from civilization that your cellphone doesn't work, so now you have hundreds of people spread out over potentially thousands of miles of terrain/water/whatever that you now need weeks to search and rescue everyone. Taking weeks on search and rescue, pretty much guarantees that you'll find people who landed safely, then died from exposure to the environment.

On the flip side, if everyone is in the plane when it crashes then all you need to do is find the plane; everyone will be in that general area, whether alive or dead.

There's just too many downsides to having parachutes on board to make it feasible.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thanks. I think a lot.

Probably too much

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, I do understand that ejector seats are not a good idea, but I was thinking something more like this. It's more like a lifeboat and would be equipped as such to address the same sort of concerns a disaster at sea would require to allow folks to survive and be tracked.

I get that the expense and weight appear prohibitive, but it's insane to me that we put people 30,000 feet in the air with no plan other than prevention and measures that don't completely address all dangers.

I know nothing will likely ever be done in this vein, and probably rightfully so, but it sure feels like airlines are the ultimate "you pays your money and you takes your chance" experience. Given my own limited experience with flying, it increasingly scares the hell out of me personally. I didn't have occasion to fly until I was in late middle age, and I found the experience thoroughly terrifying.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Throwing untrained people out of a commercial airliner at high speed in the middle of a emergency is a good way to ensure no one survives. The equipment would add a significant amount of space, fuel and maintenance burden too, and require major compromises to the aircraft design itself. All to resolve a problem that effectively never happens.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

An explosive release canopy for an ejection seat system on an airliner would just release the entire top half of the plane, and don't forget that fighter pilots are both wearing flightsuits and get specific training for the event.

Even beyond the material and engineering costs it's a difficult ask, probably better to just focus on reliability in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Ok but what about instead of an explosive release canopy, the crew just sorta loosen some of the bolts holding the top of the plane on, then the pilot flies upside-down to gently tip everyone out of their seats

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Sounds perfect, no notes.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

rare non-horny Extra Fabulous comic

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

there's probably just missing frames

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What's the point of wearing a helmet when skydiving? If your chute doesn't open, are you supposed to try and land head first so it will protect you? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So if you crack your head jumping out you are still awake enough to pull the cord, plus if you land hard you don't smash your head on a rock.

The super high altitude jumpers had altitude devices that would automatically deploy their chutes in the event that their air supplies failed and they passed out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

That joke was made by Miguel Gila, a Spaniard comedian, decades ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (5 children)

God these comics are absolute trash, I don't think I've ever seen an EFC that didn't have an offensive art style and horribly mediocre punchline.

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