I'm going to vote 3rd party to send whoever is running against Hitler a message!
this post was submitted on 31 Oct 2024
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Unironically the correct thing to do, historically speaking. It was the "lesser evil" candidate who won and appointed Hitler as chancellor, which allowed him to seize power.
Unironically the correct thing to do, historically speaking. It was the “lesser evil” candidate who won and appointed Hitler as chancellor, which allowed him to seize power.
"If only they hadn't rallied around the lesser evil candidate, then the Nazis could've gotten into power even earlier!" - MLs, unironically, it would seem. Unless you've forgotten who Hindenburg was running against.
Fucking insane. Wanting Nazism to come into power as soon as possible so it can start murdering people even earlier. Just mask-off fascism from you lot, huh?
They're the sort of .ml user who is so deep into the propaganda they deny China has done any human rights abuses at all (and none to Uyghurs in specific). It's hard to consider anything they write as good faith.
And, indeed, if I look it up, it leads me to wonder: if the NSDAP were not the largest party in the Reichstag at the time (perhaps one means of this happening would have been people voting for lesser evils!) it may not have happened.
what exactly are you talking about? Hitler became chancellor because the NSDAP had the largest support (~30%), he won because no one wanted to support the "lesser evil", imagine if all the left-wing micro parties actually put together and voted just the SPD or KPD, it would literally have stopped Hitler.
yes, Hitler happened because people refused to vote for the "lesser evil" because the ASPD, the KAPD, USPD, KPO, etc... couldn't vote for the SPD
In the 1932 German Presidential Election, the candidates were Hitler, Hindenburg, and Thälmaan. The SPD endorsed "center-right" Hindenburg as a lesser evil to stop Hitler, and he won. Then he wound up appointing Hitler as chancellor anyway.
and it got to that point after the conservatives already pulled a bunch of voter suppression and the 1933 election where the Nazis got most of the votes, and because the left vote was split, their combine greater total meant nothing
Sure. Obviously, the split on the left was unfortunate and a major reason why Hitler came to power. Another reason being the declining economic conditions under the governing coalition of the SPD with the center-right.
I don't really see how that makes the case for lesser-evilism.
It's like you're trying to tell us "nach Hitler kommen Wir" was a bad idea?
I'm sorry, I don't speak French.
If that fellow were dumb enough to be one of the usual suspects on Lemmy, he would respond with "Yes, I see no difference between you and the SPD, which I also find antisemitic."
I'm sitting this election out because Vogel gave up his pacifism during the Great War! Both sides are the same. I'm very smart.
I'd much rather have someone who's never been a pacifist! At least they're consistent!!
I'd much rather have someone who was never a pacifist to begin with! At least they're consistent!
You mean the SPD that used the Freikorps to crush the communist Spartacus League? The Freikorps that went on to aid Hitler in his rise to power? The SPD who prevented a communist revolution that could have prevented the rise of fascism in the first place? That SPD?
You mean the SPD that used the Freikorps to crush the communist Spartacus League?
Ah yes, when the Spartacus League decided "Fuck democracy, we can pull a coup" and were surprised by the fact that the military, fresh from the front, was not fond of the idea.
The Freikorps that went on to aid Hitler in his rise to power?
The Freikorps were all-but-disbanded by '21, Einstein. Wanna remind me when Hitler came to power?
"However, many Freikorps also largely despised the Republic and were involved in assassinations of its supporters, later aiding the Nazis in their rise to power." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freikorps
Voting hasn't had a good record at stopping fascism fyi
Is the single issue voting against the person who praises Hitler, repeatedly has Nazi imagery in their ads, defends racists who "want to make America hate again", and is supported by literal Nazis?
Hey Turbonics I heard you still support Trump
This argument by democrats targeting "single issue voters" who don't exist is absurd. Like the democrats aren't also terrible on environmental policies, they also support police and border violence and on and on.
This is a messging problem, not underlying policies eaxh party makes, from what I gather. "Enemy within" vs a wider range of issues