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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago

Seeing Bernie speak truth to power is incredibly refreshing, especially since he points the finger not at the voting public, but at his own team mates, who absolutely did drop the ball multiple times.

I hope people actually take his words on board.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

The Democratic party has failed us. We need an actual workers party and we have about 3 years to build it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

You guys don't deserve it. This election proved to me that you're leftists can be every bit as hateful as your right

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

Yeah the people advocating for the end of a genocide and social healthcare are the hateful ones 💀

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I’m tired of being told how awesome the economy is. It’s great for the rich, but the cost of necessities like housing, food, and healthcare has outpaced the CPI, so we all feel worse. A cheaper big screen tv doesn’t help much if you can’t afford the basics.

Aggregate economic data only says so much. Lots of INDIVIDUAL people are suffering. While the CPI is one basket of products, everyone has their own, and this everyone has their own rate of inflation. So saying wages have kept up with inflation is a fallacy on 2 fronts. Some saw income outpace the CPI, others it did not and they’ve lost income. But even among the former group, everyone had a personal rate of inflation that may well be higher than the CPI.

Instead, the wealthy and politicians look at averages and medians and assume it’s just negative feelings. But we were alive in the 90s. We were alive in the early 2000s. We know about the 50s and 60s. We know the economy used to be better for working people. We want better.

Trump, of course, will not deliver that. But Harris didn’t inspire confidence she would, either.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

My wife is a teacher, so we use her healthcare, but I still peek in at the healthcare at my job when enrollment comes along, just to be diligent.

It went up 20% this year, from $600 to $720. If you make $30K a year and got a 3% cost of living adjustment, you make less this year than last year from healthcare alone.

Food, gas, rent, cars, childcare, utilities, everything is up. I guess it's cool that US steel or something might be doing well, and the stock market is up, but that minimally affects the day to day of most people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

We don't really have to worry about what Trump offered, he got less votes than last time on the same tired platform. The problem was Democrats through and through not being left at all. Losing millions of votes that way. Some people can play the lesser of two evils game, but as we just saw there are not enough people who can vote while holding their noses.

I held my nose, but the numbers clearly show it was a Democrat failure to communicate, empathize, and/or initiate with voters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

How can this man be so based. The world simply didn't deserve him.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I hope liberals learn from this and start organizing. The billionaire-funded Democrat party will never pin blame on the capitalists that fund them to get working class votes.

As this article points out:

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Liberals and neoliberals are the problem. The only solution is for progressives to start a new party. The DNC just showed that it is incapable of learning, constantly courting the right that will never actually vote for them, or telling billionaire donors to fuck off.

Liberals are just conservatives that refuse to take their masks off. Neoliberals even more so. These are the "white moderates," and the "supporters of the MIC," that Martin Luther King Jr., and Eisenhower warned us about.

Bernie showed us the way forward. Billionaires are merely dragons to be slain and ignored.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

We need at least one new party in this country, and one that runs for local elections first to build a bench of people who can run for higher office.

Even if I didn’t believe the national Green Party was just a spoiler (regardless of how they started out,) they spend all their time and energy pushing a presidential candidate every four years rather than working on ground game.

I think states like Texas are actually fertile ground if you focus on what people are dealing with in their day to day life and start small-county commissions, town council positions, even sheriff if you have a county where the local sheriff is unpopular and your party platform is looking at criminal justice reform.

I also think pushing for changes to use ranked choice voting with proportional representation would generate long-term change. Single Tranferable Vote has worked well in Ireland, and historically it worked well in multiple American cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote?wprov=sfti1

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I think the problem isn't the cities, it is the rural bits in between that won't want to give up their excess power per vote in the current system.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Those are also places where a lot of regressive candidates run unopposed and hold office for decades because they’re the only ones who have an interest in the position. Prime spots for someone with different ideas to throw their hat in the ring.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I was specifically talking about changing the election system, not just getting elected.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Anybody got the actual press release for this? I can't find it. Only the X post with screenshot.

https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1854271157135941698

Can't find them here.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/media/press-releases/

[–] [email protected] 34 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

I think the Democrats are too far right, but that's not what lost them the election. What lost them the election is that voters think the President controls the price of groceries, and if cheaper groceries means killing a lot of brown people, that's a small price to pay.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is going to prove that the President controls the price of groceries by enacting tariffs on imported food and getting rid of all the people who catch, raise, and harvest our food. He's going to make grocery prices go through the roof.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I'm sure that will be blamed on someone else. Probably trans people.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 23 hours ago

The last great presidential candidate. The only once I’ve ever actually liked.

Hopefully more senators like AOC will come around that were motivated by Bernie and can take the party over.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It is so incredibly refreshing to hear someone with (however limited) power say what I've been seeing with the naked eye.

A four-hour drive through rural America last week showed me this: trump signs in the very poorest and the very richest yards, for miles and miles. There was the occasional Harris sign for obviously middle-class dwellings but not all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He describes the plight of these people correctly, and while they haven't been offered enough by the dems, they aren't choosing the republicans because they are offering them more. They're choosing them because they fear change and the Republicans promise to protect them from change. The fear comes from ignorance / lack of a decent rural education system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that is a very weird position to hold, the status quo is shit for me but I don't want change. Not disagreeing with you though that it is that way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

People are pretty good at adapting to even pretty lousy conditions if a steady-state can be maintained. We all have very strong loss aversion though. You can capitalize on the most extreme versions on this in populations that don't have a loss buffer, lack diverse skillsets , and have had limited exposure to diversity of any sort. Tell them someone that looks different than them is going to change the food they eat, build a different place of worship next to their church, and take their jobs away from them by working for much less and you've got an effective boogeyman that you can promise to defend them from (while stealing from them even). Hell, it works so damn well you can tell them that these boogie men will eat their pets and they will take you seriously.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I want Bernie for president and I'm not even American.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

We tried. And almost got him. But then the DNC Services Corp rigged the game against us to stop him.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I’ve said this before but the DNC is actually just another wing of the Oligarchy. They exist to provide a fabricated conflict so that people think it’s a divide based on ideals, not on class divide it truly is. Look at the wealth of all of the leaders in the DNC. It’s pretty much the same circles and wealth as the RNC.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

I don't think it is quite that simple. It is more like part of each party is controlled by that interest but there are also people who genuinely try to achieve something matching their own world view, some of those good, some bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

People keep saying they list due to reaching out to moderate republicans. No, they ARE the moderate republicans. They won’t do anything that will upset their wealthy donors.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The right are perpetually angry. They are angry when they win and angry when they lose. It's a hallmark of their cult. There's no pleasing these people because they don't know what they're angry about, they just prefer to be angry.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago

....something, something, Bernie warned us about this in a video 20 years ago, something, something, status quo.....

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