I definitely see this as “we can’t get away with the boys club anymore” rather than a problem with Gen Z. Gen Z won’t hide their unhappiness with any of the -isms and will call it out instead of just keeping their head down.
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Right, it’s not the lack of skills to disagree. What it is, is the bravery to not tolerate intolerance, and they stand for what they believe the world should be. Making mr grouper proud out here.
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I'm a millennial but this reminds me of when I first got into the work force and was stuck in an office full of boomers with me being the youngest. I remember the boss would take turns taking shots at different people during meetings, making insensitive racial jokes about people. I eventually got tired of doing the uncomfortable fake laugh so I just sat there stone faced during his jokes. He halted the entire meeting to a stop to ask me why I wasn't laughing. This is the extent to which office culture must be obeyed and how insecure they get when you don't go along with it. It's so pathetic.
I’m also a millennial with a similar experience in my first job in 2004 or 2005, except instead of racial jokes, it was jokes about boobs, sexist rumors about another coworker moonlighting as a stripper, unwanted touching, etc, and when I reported it, I was told to “grow up” by my supervisor.
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"YoU CaNT sAy AnYtHiNg AnYMoRe"
"How am I supposed to compliment a woman these days?"
It's the same boomers that make those complaints whining about Gen Z
This is exactly it. I've seen this exact thing play out a bunch of times. It's a real threat to them, because so many of these people got to where they are because they know how to work that frat boy culture to their advantage, and now they suddenly have to deal with people who don't find their shit funny. The reality is that they don't actually have any real skills besides the politics of being loud and borish.
The thing is, if you say "black lives matter" they'll quietly run to HR and claim they don't feel comfortable and they don't want politics in the workplace. Then they'll turn right around and go back to talking fondly about their date rape days at Cornell
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I read this as Gen Z doesn’t tolerate the boomer/older Gen X intolerant/racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic bullshit that younger Gen X/Older Millennials had to, and a lot of folks receiving this deserved pushback don’t like it.
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Nailed it, except that older Gen X and boomers who weren't part of the intolerant majority ALSO had to put up with all that bullshit.
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I hate these generation based things. Some little time ago there was odd stuff about millennials everywhere. Now Gen-Z. In a few years Gen Alpha. Then whatever comes next and so on.
People just like to label people. And generations are just another option.
I'm Gen X. They used to say this stuff about us too. Did you know we're all slackers?
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Look, I don't care at all what views my coworkers might possess. And that's the problem. Because when one of these fuckwits starts going on a bigoted rant at work, I do NOT want to hear it, and I surely don't give a damn about it. So yeah, no, we can't work alongside fuckwits. If they knew how to shut up, we could.
Alternative headline: boomers* don’t have the skills to know what is or is not an appropriate work conversation to have.
*I’m aware many boomers do have this skill, just matching the ignorant and overly broad style of the original statement.
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Honestly this isn't a gen z thing, it's just a shit article thing. 70% of this piece is just this one fucking guy bitching about the "kids these days"
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Let me paraphrase: Gen Z refuse to take any bullshit from deluded boomers.
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Welp, Gen Z, it's your time in the furnace I guess.
I remember when "Millennials are ruining everything" articles were the fodder for lazy writers, now it's crap like this.
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We just reposting the same things from 10 years ago with “millennials” replaced by “gen z?”
Shut up you ~~millennial~~ gen z snowflake! You’ll take the recycled content and enjoy it
/s, if it wasn’t obvious….I’m noting that same trend myself.
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The problem is that the things they “disagree” about are sometimes basic scientific facts, like climate change, or beliefs which strongly affect people’s lives negatively, such as racism, anti-lgbt bigotry, or economic views like “it’s just fine to pay people such low wages they can barely afford to live and will never be able to buy a house”.
And why are these politics an issue in the workplace?
I'm 52 and have worked a wide variety of jobs. Nowhere I have been employed was it acceptable to talk politics, except on the down-low with people you knew well. If there was a political discussion where two people disagreed, they either agreed to disagree, or it was quickly dropped.
I'm the same age as you, so I've seen the same social and political changes as you have over the last 20 years or so. Some "politics" are just negative moral stances about other people. If your political/moral views make people feel excluded and you make sure we all know your views, whether through explicit political conversation or implicit comments, we are not going to "agree to disagree." We will be telling the shithead to STFU, and if they don't, we will be getting HR involved. We can't and won't tolerate intolerance in the workplace.
In my experience, in the 80s and 90s, intolerance was pretty commonplace, and racial and moral minorities mostly just had to suck it up. What's changed is that liberals have "woken up" to that long-standing intolerance, while conservatives want things to stay the same. Up until about 2016, the majority of these conservatives hid their intolerance. Little did we know that they were just seething inside. Then Trump made it okay to be vocally hateful again, and that seething mass of conservatives exploded into public discourse again.
I don't think Gen Z is incapable of disagreeing with their co-workers in a respectful way. I think they are seeing angry, usually older, conservatives raging about moral issues that they thought were already resolved. Or, they see boomers still denying climate change, which is a real slap in the face for the younger generation who will face the consequences long after those boomers are dead. It is very disconcerting and depressing for Gen Z, and as the father of a couple of Gen Z kids, I'm proud of them for taking a stand.
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Because whether some people are allowed to exist is politics now, and gen z and others aren't going to quietly let bosses/coworkers banally brutalize people anymore without pushback.
The workplace is steeped in politics, like every other part of your life. The discussions dont have to be about politics day in day out, but somethings have to be addressed directly, work or not.
Basically, if youre workplace is fair and decent, then you likely wont hear anyhting about politics. if it's full of bigots/abuse, well, people arent putting up with it anymore.
I’m not really sure what the person in the article means. It says something about “lockdown-era students can’t hold down a heated discussion”… but why would they be having heated discussions? It also says
Miami University even organized a dinner with senior leaders in order to teach proper mealtime etiquette, such as how to engage in conversation on neutral topics.
which makes it sound like it’s older people who bring up inappropriate political topics in an inflammatory way.
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Or maybe it's because they have zero patience for people who can't understand the idea of basic human rights?
I read that as "they voice their opinions too much".
Yeah, this sounds like, “Gen Z won’t put up with the same levels of bullshit as their predecessors “
I ain't gonna give any weight to a freaking anecdote from any one, let alone a manager. Show me the proof or sit down.
Personally I’m just not fond of working with geriatric, lead-poisoned nazis but that’s just me.
Some guy says some thing. This is no different from an out of touch boomer saying kids these days don't want to work.
I'm guessing someone got called out for being a right wing shit head and now his poor little feelings are hurt.
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nah never had that issue and I'm pretty fuckin opinionated. As a chef I argue more with old heads than gen z or millennials.
old fuckers think they know everything
Gen Z seem to lack the skillset to know their place. -boomer boss
Interesting way of saying "they won't bend over and spread their arse cheeks".
Meanwhile said CEO is the one that intentionally promotes 'clueless' people (Read overtly offensive) people as leaders and then paints the workers that are coerced to humor them as in the wrong when they don't put up with it.
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Yeah, I'll just say if I'm working, I just don't wanna hear politics brought up at all. I'd rather focus on work or maybe small talk. I don't wanna end up in a scenario where I expose my political views only to find I've made enemies with the wrong people in a company or group.
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Everyone in this thread is jumping to the conclusion that it's about politics, race, etc.
Meanwhile here's me wishing the office Zoomer would shut up about the way I drink my coffee.
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When the "disagreement" is that your nosy Boomer Karen coworkers mis-gender you or disapprove of the way you live your life or think it's NBD that by the time you're their age we're going to be in the "find out" phase of the biggest disaster to hit Earth's biosphere in 65 million years, the problem isn't really with Gen Z.
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