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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Obligatory screw second thought he's a tankie not a socialist

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't follow him for that long, can you elaborate why/how?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We go over this every week.

  • His main channels First and Second Thought will never mention it.
  • If you wanna know his real beliefs you have to find him on the Deprogram or on his other socials, the more personal the less careful he is to hide it.
  • I'm gonna play the guilt by association card, because he's a political pundit, and all of his public appearances are with tankies who have even more explicitly red fascist style views.
  • Here's a major take: He plays "both sides" on the Russia and Ukraine conflict. Negotiate for peace? Ukraine should give up land? Ukraine should end the war? People who say this want Russia to walk away with new land and a new second class of people. Or maybe would even be okay if it happened to more independent states.
  • He hasn't changed his views, he's simped over the USSR, done the "America always bad" take reoeatedly: Imperialism is when America does it, not when China or Russia does it.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I'll have to look out for these points in the future

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine looking at a video where he explicitly states leftists have no desire to rule by violence, and repeating the tired comment that he's a tankie.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I firmly believe he can "hide his power level" or share a different level of radical views based on the topic or the platform he's on.

The Deprogram's most recent response to being called tankies? They made a whole episode about it where they said "Tankie is an overused term, and everyone who calls us tankies is a liberal" 😂

He's shared more explicit support of the USSR and other genocidal and evil failed experiments in governance that happened to call themselves left-wing, and while in his main channel he won't talk about it, he's also never refuted or talked about a change in his views. He believes that shit, he just wants to capture viewers into his sphere before he lets them know.