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I care about my privacy, though I like it's UI. Is it really as bad as some say?

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 1 year ago (22 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yea I don't think it's bad for privacy, just there are better options out there which get you the same privacy while also addressing other issues? Issues like Chromium, history of controversies and shady behaviour (crypto, replacing ads with their own), the business model, and issues with the CEO.

Instead, why not just use standard Firefox? The only downside I've heard is that the default settings don't do what Brave does when you first install each browser, but that's a weak argument considering we all modify the settings anyway. Someone should just outline which Firefox settings should be flipped to match default Brave, and we can be done with the weekly 'Why not Brave' discussions

I use Firefox as my daily browser, and run Mullvad browser when I need to be cautious with a task.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Easier option is to use Librewolf since they do a lot of work for you

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Or Mull if you're on Android

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Be careful, Brave marketing team is well known for disguising themselves as users and promote their bloated crapware via comments.

They overdid it in 4chan and ended up alienating the entire community.

Then they moved to Reddit but people already started seeing Brave for what they really are, a scummy company that has been caught redhanded way to many times to be trusted.

Now they are here on Lemmy, desperately trying to get more chumps under their ad machine before BAT hits 0 and their advertising partners lose all interest.

Just say no to Brave, there are way better browsers out there, with real privacy, that won't make you look like a hateful brainwashed-by-politics piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Any examples of their stuff on 4chan?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Bloated. That really nails what Brave is

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

YES, IT IS!

You should NOT trust Brave to not play fast and loose with your privacy. They already operate an advertising network (it operates on those stupid little BAT tokens) and they DO inject ads and affiliate links.

I strongly recommend Firefox^1^ or Librewolf.

^1^ - You must install plugins and apply user.js fixes yourself to properly harden Firefox completely against tracking; but this is doable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey, I use Firefox but I've never heard of making edits to the user.js config. Could you point me in the direction of some information about this?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

This. They detail perfectly how you can properly harden Firefox with whichever settings you think fit your privacy needs best and even discuss the tradeoffs for each setting.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Why does this topic keep coming up?

Anything. 👏 Chromium. 👏 Based. 👏 Is. 👏 Bad.

If you give a shit, you'll suck it up and change to Firefox or Mull. If your excuse for not doing so is UI based, your convenience is more important than your privacy.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

f i r e f o x.

i mean cmon

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s always been weird to me how people use Brave. Like there’s a big class of Brave users who seem like people who would just be better off on Firefox? I guess it’s some of the best evidence I have seen that marketing works.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is, that Firefox Android can't group tabs. That's VERY important for me, and is the only reason I don't use Firefox (it's messy using different browsers in PC/Phone).

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It has an opt in option to sell ad space for some of its crypto. Some people just are offended that the option is even there.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're on Lemmy. Lemmy hates Brendan Eich. Take the top comments with a grain of salt.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, there's good reason to hate the guy, but there's plenty of controversies the browser has had as well that should ward anyone who cares about privacy away from it, they've proven they will do shady stuff without users knowing like affiliate link injection, and then just "apologize" when caught.

Google would be crucified for doing that yet when a shady crypto browser does it it gets a pass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Folks know they'll never be Google. Folks think they might just become crypto rich Someday Soon.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It's literally just a coat of paint on google chrome. You might as well install internet explorer toolbars until an unknown browser appears on your desktop and use that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Brave is an alternative. There are better alternatives but its better than chrome or edge

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, brave is not bad for your privacy. There has been some controversie but no dealbreaker so far imo.

If you're on mobile I think brave has hands down the best UX (not necessarily UI but I like it a lot), on desktop I recommend firefox, which has a lot of custom themes to choose from (https://firefoxcss-store.github.io).

I personally like and use https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I like Firefox mostly because it's cool to have engine competition. I mostly use the default dark theme. It looks good enough for me. I don't look much at the top when browsing.

On android it's still lagging behind the chromium competition. And having mismatched browsers isn't great for syncing. So I just use Firefox on android too, good enough.

Tho, if miss matching wasn't an issue, personally I think I would use Kiwi browser. It's an open source chromium browser which supports chrome extensions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's less about whether any individual thing they've done has been bad, more that they keep doing things and keep doing thm in sneaky ways. Every time something happened the CEO went on a marketing campaign and drummed up a bunch of new users to drown out the news story. They come across as shady, which gives the impression that it would take a relatively small sack of money for them to sell their users up the river.

Brave is better than some out of the box, but far from the best. I'd say Mull is better for mobile, which is a Firefox fork. It has a companion Android System Webview called Mulch.

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