Damn if only he had put an ounce of effort in giving a proper finish to the biggest show fucking ever maybe people would give a shit about it
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Tbf, Martin didnt have anything to do with the ending of the show sucking.
Now, the fact that he's doing this instead of finishing the books, that sucks ass.
I know, my point still stands. had he given those dipshits at least a fucking sketch of how it should end, they wouldn't have killed what it looked to be a bigger cash cow than StarWars and HarryPotter together
According to interviews he did give them the broad strokes of how it should end, D+D are just so incompetent that he needed to give them a lot more for them to follow. Probably more than he's even conceptualized yet lol.
Its interesting though, the stuff in the early seasons that were completely new additions that werent in the source text were actually good. Literally my favorite scene (Robert and Cersei talking about their marriage) isnt in the books. As far as I know, that was a D+D invention. So its weird to me that the same guys who did that couldn't write without source material later on. Guess they can do detail work like that just fine but not broad arcs? idk.
According to interviews he did give them the broad strokes of how it should end, D+D are just so incompetent that he needed to give them a lot more for them to follow.
They also literally had a grudge against Emilia Clarke over her renegotiating her contract so she wouldn't have to do nude scenes anymore back in the second season, which is when they started writing the end of her character's story as a revenge fantasy against her personally. So it wasn't even just incompetent writing, but them actively deciding early on to write a weird, misogynistic ending out of spite for an actress not wanting to be naked around them on the set.
I'm not suprised, I'm just horrified
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there's a 2010 Chinese adaptation of three kingdoms link with english subs that's really good. The acting and intrigue is on par with early game of thrones but it's funded by a culture endowment so there's way less uncomfortable sex stuff and they don't phone in the end
Game of Thrones ended before its source material with some non-sequitur statement about the nature of stories. Now all we need is a Kingkiller Chronicles adaptation that gets really popular and ends with some non-sequitur political killings of main characters.
Just finish the books already
The JJ Abrams gambit, refined: you don't have to provide disappointing endings to hype waves if you never write the ending 
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Are there any books that are written by like... Teams of people?
Books are the only entertainment medium that is entirely dominated by individual authors and hasn't turned into something where whole teams of writers work on a project. I guess the editor usually has a bit of input but still.
It also seems considerably better off for it, as a medium.
The Expanse was written by a pair of authors under a single pen name
The Expanse is an interesting example because even knowing there were two authors while reading it I couldn't tell when it shifted from one author to the other. In fact, it had a remarkably consistent style throughout the series. I wonder if they've ever spoken about how they split the labor.
I'd heard they did alternating chapters, which if so is impressive as there is no change in feel from one to the next.
Are there any books that are written by like... Teams of people?
It's going to be a thing very soon that you essentially have teams of plot outliners, character developers, AI prompt engineers, and editors quickly drafting novels together. You're going to have the hypercapitalist speed-focused methods of software development (Agile, Scrum, etc.) leaking into creative fields in order to make them more profitable and have faster turnaround times.
That's not even step-away-from-the-lathe. Some dickheads are working on that right now.
It's a natural consequence of cinema, video games, etc. that they will require teams of people most of the time because of the sheer volume of disciplines involved. Books only require one most of the time, just like painting, sculpture, songwriting, etc.
Maybe videogames and cinema are also better off with one dedicated writer, and an editor. I know "too many cooks" is already a thing that has been popularised in the past but perhaps it needs to make a return.
Several projects would genuinely be better off if the internals of the companies had a "keep your hands off" attitude to the writing, and kept it in the hands of one talented person rather than a team of people all trying to stamp their soulless addition on it while pushing and pulling internally over control.
Every example of "design by committee" can be matched by an example of a legendary writer's room (eg: golden era Simpsons)
Every brilliant auteur can be matched with an example of an "idea's man" who had to be reigned in by a team or was really a team all along with one person taking credit (eg: George Lucas).
I think it's more likely there are no hard rules for projects being better off with dedicated writers or teams of writers.
It's like asking if it's better for music to be written by singer-songwriter or a band working collaboratively. Both methods can produce great art.
But much like it exceptionally difficult to impossible to predict or manufacture a hit, I think it's probably a generally hard problem to determine what should be written by a team or a solo writer until after the work is already done.
Even comic books are often made by two people before it gets to the editors. That said, I agree and I don't think anyone really likes design-by-committee other than the people making money off of it.
As a communist, my gut reaction is that this is an antisocial way of organizing things but that it should be totally possible to have people collaborate in a more constructive way. That probably requires actually understanding those systems though, and I do not.
In a no copyright environment you'd have everyone, literally everyone, writing folklore, ideas, stories, coming up with their own twists to the lore, their own takes. Historic mythology didn't develop from one writer it developed through people telling stories and adding bits or their own twists.
The good ones caught on and were adapted by others, the bad ones did not. The overall story and the "popular" mythology of the character/tale would form this way collectively. But it would still be a bunch of individual storytellers doing it.
The property model is what prevents this occurring collectively in a more natural human fashion.
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I know that Wheel of Time was handed over by Robert Jordan to Brandon Sanderson, because he was dying. It can be very jarring to suddenly see a change in writing style.
Maybe that's how historians of literature feel when they detect forgeries or misattributions.
I think maybe it would make more sense to have authors write individual stories and contribute to a shared setting. Not like spin-offs and fandoms, but like open source contribution I guess.
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warrior cats, which serves your point because it sucks
Brandon Sanderson does the primary writing work, but he does have a small team under him to develop it.
Are there any books that are written by like... Teams of people?
any 39 clues enjoyers in the chat
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There really are very few examples of good "collaborative" books out there. And even in something like Good Omens, I found it pretty easy to tell which were the Terry Pratchett sections and which were the Neil Gaiman ones. I guess there is simply no substitution for one hyperfixated recluse fugueing paragraphs onto paper. (I hope there is no substituting it for my sake at least)
Stephen King is a lib and I don’t think he’s written anything particularly good in 30+ years, but the stuff he wrote when he was bonkers on drugs and booze… I think it’s actually veeery good.
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finish wonds of winterer gerge
good news for people who like making genealogy charts for imaginary characters
no shade 
had another beer and remembered this relevant bit of my life, when I was like 14 my cousin who was maybe 17 at the time and her mom recommended the wheel of time series to me, and their pitch included showing me their shared spreadsheet of characters and their genealogy
I was 14 so I read a few of the books before discovering that doing charts was not my idea of fun
I like GRRM but also find him extremely annoying and he is obviously problematic. I made it through the first 2.5 ASOIAF books before I couldn’t take it anymore. I’ll probably go back to them eventually. I also enjoyed both GoT and House of the Dragon. My only major problem with GoT is that Daenarys should have conquered Westeros and exterminated all of the feudal lords.
I also like his “pantsing” method of writing and think it works really well. The problem is that the guy is a fuckin’ 
The "pantsing" method worked great for the first few books, but not knowing how he was going to resolve things created some issues later on, and is probably a big part of why the series is permanently paused.
I remember in his blog before ADwD came out, he was very open about how not knowing how he would resolve the Meereenese plotline caused big delays, and it ended up being a pretty mediocre plotline in the end too.
My only major problem with GoT is that Daenarys should have conquered Westeros and exterminated all of the feudal lords.
That would involve society improving somewhat and that can't ever be shown to happen because
As someone who was reading the series a few years before the show was even announced, I kinda love this as the ultimate troll move. At the end of the day a writer has no real obligation to finish their work. I still believe we'll get Winds of Winter, but Song of Spring just ain't gonna happen.
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Remember when Warren Beatty convinced Paramount to make a 3 hour long movie about American communists in Russia, and made the US government the villain, was sympathetic to the bolsheviks, and then had tankie vs anarchist argument segments where the movie kinda sorta sided with the tankies, and did this during the height of the Cold War, and then made Ronald Reagan watch it, and continued to make chuds mad for the next 42 years? That was some real studio entertainment
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I’m so glad I didn’t get into the ASoIAF books. I couldn’t imagine getting dabbed on by an author this hard.
It hurts. Spiritually and physically.
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Finish the damn books old man.
Still won't finish Winds of Winter, apparently.
But as long as upcoming "prestige" slop has lots of 
nothing fundamentally will change. 
Fuckin' love me some adventures of Ham and Cheese
Fuckin' love me some more indecipherable Funko Pops
Fuckin' love me some more grinding a franchise to the bone
GIMME THAT GAMBO SLOP
Nah this is fine, might as well go full throttle into spitting out every corner of Planetos onto TV whether anyone wants to watch it or not. The Rhoynar water mages throwing a river at dragons until Valyria sends enough dragons to boil the whole damn river? Sure, have all the CGI budget, fuck me up, don't care anymore, it'll be fun maybe.
drag on 2: drag harder
I'm just gonna assume that the series ends with everyone making out and becoming friends
Eh, sometimes these sprawling franchises produce a surprising gem or two 
Andor comes to mind, I also liked the first two Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
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If I were HBO I'd just make it all conditional on finishing the original books.
"Look George, the incompleteness of the series has engendered some I'll will from the fans, so let us hire a team of writers to finish asoiaf because it's dragging down the rest of the brand. Then you can spend your time in the casting process comparing breast sizes to your vision of the characters or whatever it is you want to do."
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It’s a shame that billions of dollars isn’t enough in this economy and they’re forced to milk their beloved franchise dry just to get by 
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