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I'd like to get the community's feedback on this. I find it very disturbing that digital content purchased on a platform does not rightfully belong to the purchaser and that the content can be completely removed by the platform owners. Based on my understanding, when we purchase a show or movie or game digitally, what we're really doing is purchasing a "license" to access the media on the platform. This is different from owning a physical copy of the same media. Years before the move to digital media, we would buy DVDs and Blu-Rays the shows and movies we want to watch, and no one seemed to question the ownership of those physical media.

Why is it that digital media purchasing and ownership isn't the same as purchasing and owning the physical media? How did it become like this, and is there anything that can be done to convince these platforms that purchasing a digital copy of a media should be equivalent to purchasing a physical DVD or Blu-Ray disc?

P.S. I know there's pirating and all, but that's not the focus of my question.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Why is it that digital media purchasing and ownership isn't the same as purchasing and owning the physical media?

Because the company you purchase it from has to host and serve the data to you. For how long? Eternity?

They should probably stop calling it "buying" and call it a long-term rental but that won't be good for their bottom line.

If you want to keep your data forever, buy a Blu-Ray.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I think the point is more so why are digital purchased DRM'ed and prohibited from local storage in so many ways. The historical argument is "well you're not buying it, you're buying a license to use it for as long as we wish to provide it", but why does it necessarily need to be that way. And more generally, from the standpoint of artistic/media preservation, as BluRay releases continue to decrease and console video game releases become continually more digital-only, these non-archivable or locked-without-server-license-validation media results in IP that at some point in time, this media could be permanently lost.

Personally, I feel this is unacceptable. The media we consume forms a huge portion of our culture, and is just as much an example of artistic expression as painting. While I thoroughly believe artists/companies should be able to charge for these properties, I do not believe that when it is no longer profitable for them to support the system, that these pieces of media should simply be discarded with no method for future recovery and preservation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Simple. When you license your show to a streaming platform, it is more lucrative to put in an arbitrary end date on the off-chance the platform decides to renew the license. Consumers have no say in this so they just have to take what is given.

Want to stream it forever? Be prepared to pay an exorbitant amount of money because the showrunnere REALLY don't want that.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just bought a taylor swift album and it gave me a zip file full of mp3s (wow).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Damn least they could do is give you FLAC…even Bandcamp does that

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have my home server backing up my whole GOG library.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I’m surprised that no one has mentioned this but a lot of physical discs nowadays are nothing more than glorified license checks, especially with games. Even buying the physical version does not guarantee you safety from these problems.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Also related is the fact that DVDs and Blu-rays can be region locked. Years ago I bought media from another region as it wasn’t available in my region yet, happily played it on my PC but later when I went to play it in my PlayStation, nope! Even when there was media, they tried to artificially restrict usage.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Digital ownership is an oxymoron.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's fine as long as you get the actual files, and not some DRM bullshit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but the former basically doesn't exist which is why it's an oxymoron.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It does exist. I have several cds and dvds myself. It's being phased out though, for internet based drm. Which I admit is not that great. But I wouldn't say it's quite gone yet

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Piracy will always win whether corporations like it or not. I'll always try and buy physical copies of games. But movies and TV shows need to be on my hard drive if the price isn't right for a physical copy.

I have my fair share of streaming services. Peacock for WWE, prime video well cause of Amazon prime. But if I do wanna watch a movie or show, then I will have to sail the high seas.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Expect, there is no future in digital ownership.

You will own nothing and you WILL be happy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

That's cool, I just won't buy anything then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Affected users who may have spent years building a robust digital library were suddenly left without access to content they had bought through no fault of their own.

Even though downloading and accessing digital content is often easier than trudging to a retail store to buy a physical copy of a game, you’re putting your faith in the platform holders to maintain their digital storefronts, the content on those storefronts, and their account systems so that your access keeps working.

The recent closure of Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS eShops was a stark reminder that companies have the power to decide when you can buy digital content.

While you can still redownload Wii U and 3DS games that you’ve purchased, it seems inevitable that Nintendo will stop letting you do that one day.

And Sony isn’t offering any compensation for titles you’ve already bought or a way to transfer those purchases to another store.

The PlayStation account bans were as swift as they were unexpected, and while resolution for most arrived within a few hours, Sony still hasn’t shared any public communication about what happened or why users should continue to trust the platform.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Digital media means that there is an ongoing service behind it. The servers use energy. The parts age and break. It requires a continuing feed of labor and resources to keep going.

Imagine a streaming service that is all based on buying media, instead of subscription or renting. Then suppose all the customers somehow decide that the media they own are enough for now (maybe because money is tight, because inflation). With no more cash coming in, the service goes bankrupt.

In principle, you could have a type of license that allows you to get a new copy in any way you can (torrent, etc.). That would be hard to police, though.

FWIW, owning a physical copy isn't all that, either. There are various ways built-in to make life harder for customers, like geo-blocking. Bypassing these tends to be a criminal offense.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

And yet, somehow, GOG and Itch still exist, allowing you to download games completely DRM-free, as often as you like. If they ever go out of business, you can still use your local copies forever.

How do they do it? A mystery...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Bypassing these tends to be a criminal offense.

lol no, nobody is in jail for ripping their stuff or even straight up torrenting it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Let's not forget that this is just as much Discoverys fault as Sony

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

"Why is it that digital media purchasing and ownership isn't the same as purchasing and owning the physical media?"

Because Sony doesn't have the right to permanently sell you the content, that can only be done by the original rights holder.

So when Sony "sold" people every season of Mythbusters, they were limited by their contract witb Discovery. Once Discovery altered that contract, it becomes illegal for Sony to keep distributing it.

For physical sales, there's the "First Sale Doctrine":

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Rights holder produces physical product. Books, movies, games, whatever. Bulk sells them to distributors, who then have the right to sell it to retailers, who then have the right to sell to you, the general public.

And then you have the right to do with it whatever you want.

There is no digital first sale doctrine.

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