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I am BEGGING Liberals to read a goddamn book or two about the war they keep trying to invoke for [current war] (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I fucking hate the cult the West has built up around its role in WWII, the war they idolize because it was about that one time they fought (more brazen and mask off) imperialists and genocidaires, rather than poor villagers with scavenged weapons somewhere in Africa or Southeast Asia. Not just because it sweeps some inconvenient details under the rug (ie, what sociopolitical and economic developments in America/Europe led to the Nazis in the first place) but because there hasn’t been a single war or geopolitical rivalry since that hasn’t tried to shoehorn in non-existent parallels, leading up to the big-brained take that a militant Islamist group comprised hardened orphans in a walled-off ghetto is somehow the Third fucking Reich in this scenario. It’s somehow even worse when they learn about the unsavory aspects of the (Western) Allies’ conduct because they can use that to justify war crimes so long as it gets the “bad guy” in the end.

Compounding this is a profound ignorance of the Israel-Palestine “conflict” as well since I’m sure anyone who isn’t a disingenuous fool would know about the Israeli settler-colonial system and put two and two together treating the occupied Germans and Japanese as an “undesirable” indigenous population to be displaced would have similar if not worse results. There were already Wehrwolf terrorist cells in occupied zones where the west treated “former” Nazis with kids’ gloves and poured in that sweet sweet Marshal Plan aid, just imagine how bad it would have been in that aforementioned hypothetical scenario.

As a bonus, there’s another dipshit trying to imply that WWII partisans didn’t commit atrocities against “civilian” settlers participating in a war of extermination against them.

There, I was holding in that rant for a while. parenti-hands

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago

Remember when the population of Germany was forced into a concentration camp 1/20th the size of the country while foreign ethnonationalist settler colonists claimed all of the rest?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah Japan and Germany didn’t become “terrorists” states after wwii because the us sunk a fuckton of money in rebuilding them, not to mention also completely controlling their political states, whereas you have Palestine which is just bombed, bombed some more, and bombed again.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you don't even need a book lmao, has this person not heard of uhhh hitler.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Seriously, Hitler was the reaction to Germany feeling victimized.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were not terrorist states

Eastern Europe, China, Korea, the Philippines et al. disagree.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Culturalism is a stain on society and some serious education needs to be done to rid the world of its brainworms.

Twitter OP: "There are two unique factors here: Hamas and Islam"

Samir Amin, Eurocentrism:

The (culturalist) arguments...advanced, in this respect, are confused, despite their apparent precision. They are, moreover, perfectly reversible, analogous to those previously advanced to explain the backwardness of China in terms of Confucianism, then fifty years later to explain the take-off of that country in terms of the same Confucianism! Superficial historians have explained the success of the Arab civilization of the Middle Ages by way of Islam, while contemporary journalists, even more superficially, explain the stagnation of the Arab world by the same Islam. Culturalism has no possible univocal response to any of these great historical challenges. In fact, it has too many, because it can prove any formulation and its opposite.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

Liberals can't wait for a chance to minimize the evils of fascism and Nazism.

Islam and Hamas are uniquely evil. More than the Nazis. It's not leaving someone a widow(er), orphan, childless, without siblings, without cousins, homeless and destitute that makes them hate you, it's the unique evil of their religion, which is more evil and pernicious than literal WW2 era Nazism.

This whole genocide has been one giant mask off moment for Western liberalism.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

What's the Red Army Faction?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Libs will just read the poppiest pop historian they can find, who will 100% confirm their opinions about how America was great and the USSR was just as bad as the Nazis.

Probably still Bevor at this point, but idk maybe someone has usurped his lib history crown.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Germany and Japan were recruiting child soldiers and suicide bombers by the end of the war. After the US forgave far more of their leaders than they should have, dumped tons of cash into rebuilding them, didn't settle their land, and stopped bombing them.

The US did build bases on some Japanese islands though and they are indeed pissed at that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Germany and Japan were recruiting child soldiers and suicide bombers by the end of the war.

Leftist discourse around Japan is also nonsense and contradictory too.

On the one hand, they were recruiting suicide bombers, arming school children with garden tools, and their military tried to coup their own god-emperor to stop him from broadcasting his surrender. On the other hand, if the Allies had just waited (sit down, Chinese and Korean people still suffering under brutal occupation, the adults in the room are talking), the Japanese government totes would have surrendered.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one is claiming that Japan would've "just surrendered" if the US "did nothing". The piece your missing is the USSR had finally started attacking and was sweeping the Japanese out of Manchuria. The invasion began 1945-08-09 same day as the second bomb.

Theres a leftist conspiracy theory that the Japanese high command actually surrendered because of the soviet invasion, not the atom bombs. But surrendered to the US not the USSR, since the US would probably be more favorable. The logic is the US had completely destroyed entire Japanese cities before but that never stopped them. Doing it with just one bomb was new, but thats it. Soviet invasion was basically game over. Holdings in China were doomed. And now they were looking at a joint US-USSR invasion of the home islands. Any general could see that's game over.

Alas its all a conspiracy theory. It hinges on if a bunch of japanse generals in a closed room decided to lie or not. I think one is on record as saying it was the soviet invasion but others hold to it being the atom bomb.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

No one is claiming that Japan would've "just surrendered" if the US "did nothing".

I've had people tell me multiple times on Hexbear that the Japanese government were about to surrender anyway even if the A-bombs weren't dropped.

You raise a fair point about the Soviet liberation of Manchuria, but like you said we really just can't know for certain what effect either or both of those events had on the Japanese decision making process. Both were war-losing events but without transcripts or recordings we'll never know.

What really speaks to me about the military's fanatical desire to fight to the end is the fact that even after losing both Manchuria AND getting bombed, the military still launched an almost-successful coup against their own God-Emperor to keep fighting. The surrender address had to be smuggled out in dirty laundry, and it's entirely possible that Japan would have gone on fighting had that recording been prevented from leaving the Imperial Palace.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much the only reason Japan didn't carry out any retaliatory actions against the US was because we occupied the fuck out of them while also being like "Would be a shame if you didn't do exactly what we say, otherwise another atom bomb or two might get dropped around here"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

More that the US more or less exonerated most of the Japanese ruling class.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Not just exonerated, but the US took active steps to ensure that the ruling class continued to have a death grip on power. Abe's grandpa was a high ranking Japanese war criminal and the rest of the Japanese political class is no less incestuous.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Bit idea: doing the “why do they hate us” circuit but it’s about Pearl Harbor and Japan

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

As a young lib I had no idea about the reality of Israel/Palestine until i read Palestine by Joe Sacco. Otherwise I would had just thought it was a normal thing and a proper response to the holocaust. So yes. They need to read a book.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Best use case for LLMs is to generate Harry Potter books about geopolitical issues in the hopes of maybe getting liberals to find out about things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: