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Another update and possibly a solution for some case where posts were not properly deleted. Seems I jumped the gun on this and the restores haven't been intentional - at least not in this particular case.

There is a limitation in the popular Powerdelete that apparently prevents mass editing. Here is a link to a new version with a build-in delay and some other alternatives:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/145fico/comment/jnl4xmr/

There are other reported cases where manually deleted post reappeared or other scripts have been used, so this doesn't solve all issues but explains how posts that were both edited and deleted withPowerdelete weren't properly deleted and reappeared after subs went back live.

Update: As some have pointed out: the restores can be rollbacks from the server issues or post haven't been properly deleted due to subs being private during blackouts. Many have experienced the same issue, I can't explain how this happens. I'll just run the script again, try the GDPR request and delete my account.

Also worth noting: according to the ToS Reddit can actually do whatever they want with existing content, apparently we agreed to this when signing up.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Worth noting is that a number of US states also have strong protection laws. So, delete you comments manually and then, if you're really trying to ensure that they delete your data, submit a data removal request that cites your locale's law on data removal.

Theeeeeen in 6 months or so, send a data retrieval request to make sure they followed through... and report them if they did not comply. Might as well make them pay for that data if they can't follow the rules.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In the US, indicate that you’re in California for the strongest legal option.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assuming that this is, in fact, not legal and if they have money that can be gone after, I assume that someone may start a class action suit. In theory, they're worth multiple billions, so...

An individual probably doesn't care much about whatever harm is done, as the damage is too small. But this is the kind of thing where a lawyer can walk away with a big payday by aggregating cases of many users and then getting a percentage of any payout.

I am not at all certain that it is not legal, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

undefined> In theory, they’re worth multiple billions, so…

wen Lambo?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This could be worse than anything else they've done. If they claim they own the data, are they then not responsible for it like newspapers? Is it in their terms and conditions they are free to do whatever with posted information, do they have the rights to edit users comments but in doing so become a content provider and therefore responsible. Kicking mods out doesn't land you in court this seems high risk to be manipulating content. Doesn't matter why it was deleted or edited it was deleted or edited who gets to decide what version to restore. Either you are hands off or you own the data and are responsible for it and upheld to media standards.

Edit: found a snippit of the terms and conditions in a German GDPR thread, It appears it is their terms and conditions that after you post it they can do with it what they like, even adapt it. Either way that's not a reason to be gone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

ToS like that does often not mean anything, they can write whatever they like but it doesn't mean they can legally enforce it. So if you are an artist posting a painting you made, reddit can't just say 'oop, it's ours now' same with text

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I picked up a permanent ban, after 15 years for saying 'Go outside fatso' to someone who said I couldnt read. Not my proudest moment, but there you go.

The reason I mention it, is that it adds a different dynamic if they are trying retain (and prevent me from editing) data which they hold about me. They might argue that doesn't extend to post where I've written "cats > dogs" - but anything where I've refered to where I live, whether I have kids, what my political views are, are all clearly personal details which they are not allowed to hold without retaining my consent.

Clear contraventions on GDPR in EU.

https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/eu-data-protection-rules_en

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There was that kerfuffle ages ago about u/spez editing comments in r/thedonald, iirc. It's not like it would be that much of a stretch for him at least.

But it looks like from OP's edits it may be unintentional. I'll withhold my rage for now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I deleted all my content but I did it over the span of a few days, to let the different caches around reddit to update with the new void, and my content is still deleted (so far).

I said it before and I say it again: if you have the patience to do so then make sure you overwrite your content with chatgpt generated content, as the future AI that will feed on your post HATE feeding on already AI generated stuff. It makes the AI diverge.

edit: Filling your previous content with random generated content also make it harder to restore because it is harder to spot, compared with the comments which are simply "deleted". Also, if all of it is really true, congratulation to reddit for demonstrating to everyone and specially the USA how useful the GDPR is for the citizen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is shitty of them to do but this is what people have been trying to tell us since the dawn of the internet. Nothing on the internet is EVER truly deleted

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I think they may underestimate EU's response here.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You should bear in mind, PowerDeleteSuite doesn't get everything. It can only see what's in your reddit profile under New, Top, Hot & Controversial - there will be numerous posts that are too old with only 1 or a few karma that aren't displayed in these lists. In particular, if you go through your top posts of all time, you might find some replies to these posts that you made that the script did not see.

The GDPR archive gives a full list of all the comments. What we need is a FOSS script that can use these csv files to get everything. Apparently Shreddit can take the csv files, however you have to pay $15 to use this feature.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Has anyone tried phoning a GDPR focused lawyer firm? I just did a google and they offer a "free consultation" I would like to get the facts 100% before raising my pitchfork.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The Lord of Snoo, spez has unleashed a dick move towards the platform.

Gonna love the Snoo Platform, Inc. panic mode in action.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I believe this is illegal for European (under GDPR).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps delete and replace the comment with text that explicitly claims copyright on the deleted message and denies Reddit a license to use the deleted content? It would be good to get a legal eagle willing to look at the Reddit user agreement and content licensing and see if there is a legally literate way of denying them use deleted content once it has been submitted.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There's certainly no chance this will backfire...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, so, so glad I deleted my entire account. This is so unethical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It makes me wonder if they would restore wiped comments from accounts that have been deleted?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry to say this but, they probably restored all of your posts too. It will just say "deleted" as your username but the posts and comments will be in their old place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

As I understand it (and I may not!) deleting your account leaves all your comments in place, but without your username.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

wow I just checked and all my deleted comments are restored (used the power delete suite)

jokes on them, I’m petty enough to sit here and manually delete everything

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Thats messed up! fuck spez!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is such a shitty move. Forcing subreddits to go back up is one thing, but as a european this feels very wrong from a data ownership standpoint and I'm not sure it's ok in the GDPR rules?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I think we should actively keep track of Reddit restoring user's content without people's permission. Screenshots, timestamps, everything. Monitor it all.

Maybe if Reddit go ahead with their API change whilst treating their users like such disposable crap, we could reach out to the EU to inform them of Reddit's GDPR breaches. Maybe that'd lead to their new revenue from API charges disappearing into hefty EU fines.

Update: Maybe there's going to be some loophole about actually having to use the data deletion request via Reddit's UI for there to be an actually GDPR breach though thinking about it. Going to ask around some Law friends for advise

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