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If you can’t publicly register your car, you can’t use public roads. Be sovereign on you own sovereign roads.
But how can you be a traveler if you can't travel?!
You can travel, just not on roads. Get a horse like the founding fathers intended
Would be very on brand for travelers to use horses tbh
Mine & my wife's new guilty pleasure is watching youtube channels (Van Ballion, Law with Mike) that features these morons getting arrested as well as in court.
Nothing like watching an idiot escalate their traffic citation into 4 felonies. Bonus points for MAGA stickers.
Mine is joining sovereign citizen Facebook groups and giving them bogus advice. It's hilarious what I can convince them of (just harmless stuff like using certain stamps and ink colours and nonsense like that).
You mean like this sort of thing? I'm appalled at how easy it is for me to believe they'd go for something like this. 😁
"Bring in your documentation unsigned and tell them you used invisible ink. They have to accept it."
Yes! I will reply very seriously to one of their stupid questions something like that they need to submit the T.298.101 form to their local notarizing deputy attorney using a fox postal stamp in red ink, with a codicil appending the 1099A, and they are like "oh ok", and then my messenger request is full of questions from sovcits haha.
The poor person working behind whatever desk they bring it too. Not completely harmless, if it's mailed, absolutely, but if they have to interact with a human, I feel bad for that human.
Think you mentioned that yesterday, made me ponder.
Perhaps someone knows why, while it’s obviously quite funny, it… doesn’t quiteee sit exactly right with me…
Maybe it’s like when a comedian punches down. Or maybe I’m assuming a number of them have legitimate mental deficiencies (schizophrenia? learning disabilities?).
Hey I bet you’d be really good at wasting scammers’ time. Like Kitboga! Would love to see you running the Lemmy version of 419eater :)
Every minute the scammer I'm communicating with is spending on me is a minute he is not scamming a real potential victim.
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FWIW I scam white supremacists on a daily basis. They all think I'm their friend and I'm really the person getting their social media accounts blown up. :)
As opposed to the legitimate legal advice usually seen in sovcit facebook groups :)
My wife & I are thinking it's a conspiracy to make sure the dumbest criminals stay incarcerated.
Similarly, there’s an amazing documentary called “Behind the curve” that I’d recommend, if you haven’t seen it.
The sovcit thing is really big, courts see it extremely regularly, and it’s become a standard view in prisons for, uh, reasons. So people convicted with video evidence of them doing it want to represent themselves.
I listened to a motions hearing where the defendant spent almost 20 minutes asking the judge “by what authority are you allowed to call me [his name]”. (The question the judge asked was “are you [guy’s name]”) and he would go into his sovcit loop until the judge was just done and was ready to send him back to prison. It was very boring insanity. It’s also not unrelated to why Trump is popular with men in prison.
I worry about their kids a lot. They often have CAS involved and call them their biological property they are demanding back.
I remember many, many years ago first hearing about this "Did you know that you don't have to pay income taxes if you just do ..." thing, way before "being completely disconnected from reality" was an acceptable political position.
"Huh," I thought, "I should look into that, see what that's about."
Fifteen minutes later: "Oh, it's just looney bullshit."
It just amazes me that Wesley Snipes even tried to use this to avoid paying taxes.
He should be rich enough to hire an accountant who knows how to avoid paying taxes the proper way :/
He did from memory. It amazing how many celebrities fall for "snake oil" salesmen. Being rich doesn't make you smart.
It dates back a long time, and for some reason has ties to both white supremacy and Moorish black people. I guess any loony fringe groups will pick up stuff like this.
Blows my mind how people can think they can just claim to be immune from laws and government yet be free to use the roads they avoided taxes to pay for.
They say they have a natural right to travel is the logic they use.
They do! Freedom of movement is guaranteed in the constitution (article 4). OP is free to walk as far as they like; they can even ride a bicycle without a license!
Operating a motor vehicle is another matter, but then, SovCits are not strong on critical thinking skills as a rule.
It never occurred to me before now that sov cit is fully integrated with carbrain.
I wonder if they would be fine with people using that excuse while traversing their private property.
sovcits are one of my favorite groups of loonies, but far from harmless.
Far from it! I often think about all the kids who are being raised by these lunatics and how badly their lives will be affected.
If the guy deems himself to be a sovereign citizen, not subject to the laws of the state, why is he even bothering to make a fake license plate for the car? By doing so he's just abiding by a requirement of a system he's claiming to not be bounded by? (In a second-grader with a crayon and paper kind of way).
The beliefs of sovereign citizens are to law what magic is to science. Both believe that if you do the correct rituals and spells, you can ignore the laws of the land or the laws of nature, respectively.
Its not his fault. I blame the gutting of public education for more money to blow up shit and make orphans overseas.
I'm not sure what is meant by "only subject to contacts" (I think maybe they meant contracts?) but if he doesn't think he needs a plate or license from the state, why would he acquiesce to police or the court? Surely by his logic they have no authority over him?
Sovereign Citizens are basically a cargo cult. They think that finding the right legalese will work like a magic spell. If they can find the right combination of words, they'll get the outcome they desire.
The "only subject to contracts" thing is basically their belief that they are only bound by contracts they've agreed to, not things like the laws of the place they currently are. Hence doing something crazy like making a fake license plate and thinking that 'counts' because he's "issuing his own license" without the need to do silly things like take a driving test to use public roads.
They think that finding the right legalese will work like a magic spell. If they can find the right combination of words, they'll get the outcome they desire.
I mean, that is basically how the law works if you're rich. Which sovereign citizens tend not to be
He's doing it wrong. I knew a Silicon valley weirdo who wasn't sovereign citizen but never had a license. When he got pulled over, the police could only make him get out of the car and not drive. It wasn't an arrestable offense because he never had a license as compared to driving with a suspended license. Being rich meant the fines were an annoyance, not a real problem.
Fines should be scaled to income.
Going through so much trouble to not have a license... Wow.
I had to look it up to see if you can buy a car without a driver's license... It looks like depending on your jurisdiction, you can buy a car but you must have auto insurance. And you can purchase car insurance without a driver's license. TIL.
They were for sure impounding his car everytime. This is only a trick if you have money to just eat the consequences.
It's almost a religion at this point. Their actions are wholly powered by beliefs.
Haw could he think that’s OK?
Because he's not driving, his person is traveling. Duh
So now they want the court that serves a system they don’t want to be part of to help them out?
I drank poison, the poison hurts my inside body, help me sue the poison