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Proton pass

Guys I use proton mail and proton pass but the issue I have is that how can I have a secure password for proton mail with 2fa if I use proton pass? If I have a less difficult password then I am lowering my security and If I want to have a 2fa (with local encrypted file) then I have to save it on some secure cloud, which for me is proton drive or mega then again I have those passwords saved in proton pass so I would have to login to proton pass first, If I lower password of those apps then again it risks security. ( I am sorry I am so confused). Please help!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Proton warns to not use 2fa from Proton Pass for your Proton account.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah, from what I've read the best approach is a different service for 2fa and/or something involving backups and a physical safe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yes. I seem to recall that it will change later on, but i don't know when

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like it's time for some correcthorsebatterystaple!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Password manager inception. Sign up for last pass, and bitwarden, and Google auth and Ms auth. Get a burner phone and rotate and change passwords monthly.

...sorry for my useless post.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Use a passphrase (not a password) and a physical security key, like a yubikey. It also supports TOTP or whatever 2fa Proton uses, you just connect it with a laptop or phone and it gives you a key.

A physical key is much more secure than 2fa from a password manager (although both are probably fine)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

In my opinion the centralization of all your data and secrets to one single company is itself a security risk. When I realized that, I completely stopped using proton. I see 2 main issues with using all-proton: 1. they could turn evil (like a lot of big companies do) 2. They can have exploits which then can effect all your data / secrets. I switched to have a different company for each service and I don't really pay more than what I would have to pay proton to get the same things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Best thing you can do is learn a very strong and complex password to use for your proton account, that's what I did.

It takes a bit of time but eventually you'll learn to type it in fast.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Okay lets say I set a memorable password then I would also be removing 2fa from account as well?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I use all of Proton’s products as well. I’ve found a Yubikey works best for the 2FA codes. I’m also working on having a backup password manager

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Im in the same boat. They really need to allow a second password for the pass database.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe diceware passwords can help you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

proton pass has a few non-email avenues to recovery. check it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Proton pass is a password manager but it uses the same account as proton mail. So I can't have a secure password for proton mail as I would have to use it to login to proton pass first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Either have a strong password and write it down somewhere, or use another password manager for proton? That seems kinda unnecessary though. Would be nice if proton supported yubikey or passkey or something.