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Consider:

-holders of advanced degrees and credentials (gatekeeping)

-assigns labour (literally called worksheets!) to pupils (proles)

-gives out sanctions, extra work, and bad reviews to punish bad work behaviour

-literally trained in discipline

-sharing of knowledge is forbidden, calls it cheating

-insists that you not work directly with your best friend, assigns you pairwork with a gender you're not yet comfortable with

-according to most media, teachers are the most liberal profession

-creates quarterly performance reports for workers, stressing constant need to improvement (report cards)

-have direct access to whiteboard markers and notebooks, the means of instruction!

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

If any of you try to take this seriously and make a struggle session I will personally come to your house and make you eat a bar of soap like you're 7 years old and said a bad word.

I am once again begging for hexbear users to learn that bourgeois is not just a synonym for bad.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Okay but what if I find it funny

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You need to write "bourgeois are the owners of capital and the means of production" in your notebook 20 times. Also I need to call your mum.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Appeal to authority fallacy. Wow.

spoiler/s

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

If I learned anything, it's that the true bourgeois are the ones calling others bourgeois. It's just projection and fear of being found out.

don't open if you're a liberalthis is sarcasm

[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago

(Whispering) ...Are women bourgois? lt-dbyf-dubois

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

I['m pretty sure I] know this is a joke, however

No. Teachers do not make their living by owning capital, and thus are not bourgeois.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

No.

Next question.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

They were when they gave me homework angry-hex

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

The intended purpose of public schooling is to prepare children for a job ie sell their labor to a capitalist. It's not some sort of secret; every public school will tell you this. Public grade school is designed to simulate working at a job. Public school teachers simulate the management of a job.

School teachers are not bourgeois.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

Yes, the bourgeoisie are bad. Ergo ex factorio, all bad things are bourgeoisie.

QED

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I know this is a joke but...

The school system can, and definitely has been oppressive. They have imposed cultural norms of the dominant class or colonial rulers, and worse, have actively suppressed, punished and taught to be ashamed of local cultures.

I'm no expert and I believe it has been worst with natives in the Americas and in Africa. However, I'll consider the case with which I'm most familiar as an example.

I'm from Belgium, which has been invaded or ruled by a succession of foreign powers throughout its history (namely Gauls, Romans, Franks, Burgonds, Austrians, Spaniards, French, Dutch). Which has made the region ethnically diverse. To simplify, there are two main language families: those germanic, descendant from frankish (flemish, brabantic, limburgish...) and those romance, descendant from latin (waloon, picard, lorrain...).

At the end of the 19th century, nationalism arose and with it mandatory schooling. It was thought by the bourgeoisie that the local languages were inferior to french and that it was important that the people spoke the same language (more efficient army and economy). Hence, the pupils were forbidden to speak their mother tongues, punished, humiliated and encouraged to denounce peers. Such tactics were used in the whole of (currently) french-speaking europe (cf. the occitan "vergonha").

This idiocide didn't work with the germanic people who opposed it politically with the "flemish mouvement". The flemish bourgeoisie finally adopted standard dutch, very close to brabantic dialects, and imposed it in their region. Other languages are still in use but dwindeling due to lack of state recognition.

But it totally worked on the romance, southern region. French, a foreign language controlled from abroad is now the mother tongue of 100% of the population. Very few speak the native languages. Indoctrination worked like a charm as they now have a terrible reputation. Most people don't care about their death, and the rest is positively happy about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I feel like the use education to squeeze out mother tongues is much more common than we realise.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Absolutely not

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

a-little-trolling

spoilerRead Pedagogy of the Oppressed

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

"Is wearing underwear bourgeois?"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

No. Read theory.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

are women bourgeoisie?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

bad posting

downbear

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

School teachers are just annoying as shit, taking all their personal issues out on students.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

"Very nice commentary, young Fucky. You're welcome to discuss this further in Mr. Bidet's lunch time discussion club.“

said in a teacher voice

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Uhh. They're actually evil mages, obviously. A cabal of sorcerors.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Yes, and bed times are authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Obviously not, but there are still interesting things to be said about the often unwilling role that teachers play in reinforcing class society. Some of our first experiences with capitalist propaganda are handled by teachers, who have to since it's in the curriculum.

Homework is literally classism, kids whose parents / paid tutors have time and knowledge to help will be better off.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

No.

Speaking of homework I'm assigning some to you right now: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm

Ur prospectus is due in a week nerd

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No, but teachers are objectively closer to cops than pretty much all other workers

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Particularly in countries like the US when there are literal cops in the schools with the teachers, but also to varying extents elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

My gym teacher in middle school was literally a former correctional officer

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

bugs-no
Good bit tho

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

What the fuck?!

No!!!!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

No homework! No bedtimes!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

(i'm joking)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

What's that, noTHX? Get out there and give me 2 laps

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Harry DuBois was bourgeoise even before he became a cop

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

the only proletariat teacher is the home economics teacher

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

not bourgeois but they are kinda like cops, obviously horrible under capitalism but probably a good/necessary thing under communism.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

They are not at all like cops. This is a very complex topic, but basically teachers are, using Gramsci's terminology, "organic intellectuals", and they reproduce the ideology belonging to a certain class. Teachers are dangerous to capitalism because IF they have class consciousness they can pass those ideas to their students; basically creating well informed, critical students with class consciousness should be the goal of any marxist teacher. As neoliberalism advances to the school sector (at least here in south america), teachers lose and more and more of their freedom to actually give classes with anti-hegemonic ideas: bureaucratic work that has nothing to do with teaching is introduced, and they are forced to follow curriculums and textbooks with a bunch of pro-capitalist crap in them, and with very little in the way of actual knowledge. There are also actual fascist thugs in Brazil called "escola sem partido" ("school without a party") who basically bully and threaten teachers so that their children's education can be as conservative as possible. Of course, under this context, and with the curriculum that they are increasingly forced to follow, they become "organic intellectuals" of the bourgeoisie, but it's not really the fault of the teachers, and it's only the teachers, by acquiring class consciousness and through organizing, who can push back against this. We also increasingly speak more and more of the "proletarization" of the teachers here, who increasingly become more like factory workers, alienated from their labor, and with lower and lower salaries. Teachers are also necessary in ways that cops are not, since their work is to evaluate the level of development of children and make them surpass them, which is something only they can do (Vygotsky's "level of proximal development"). The problem is that capitalism doesn't allow the teachers to actually do their jobs correctly. I guess in summary, cops are class traitors whose main function is to protect private property. Teachers are workers who only perpetuate capitalist ideology when they are literally forced to and fucked over by the capitalist education system. Teachers have some revolutionary potential because of their ability to make working class students recognize and think critically about their condition, cops have absolutely no revolutionary potential since they are just fascist bullies. Of course, this is the case in Latin America anyway, I don't know what teachers are like in burgerland.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Where’s the Marx piece where he talks about labor theory of value in relation to teachers who work for the state vs those who work for private schools and how that differentiates them economically?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

To add on to that, they even have significant amounts of capital! They get paid tons, relative to the proles allowances. They also use a lot of their money to buy school supplies, and the school supplies are used to do their job, which produces money. Teachers literally do M-C-M.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Teachers dont own the school but the principal might own it and if not the principal the superintendent. Teachers are workers!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You've heard of time and teachers being bourgeois, now get ready for this:

space-time as a concept is bourgeois. Einstein was a cop.