Pre-ESR Jargon File, along with RMS, is more "society should be more like university" than anti-capitalist.
this post was submitted on 30 Jul 2023
7 points (100.0% liked)
TechTakes
1373 readers
126 users here now
Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.
This is not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.
For actually-good tech, you want our NotAwfulTech community
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
@self I like watching that thread piss on ESR for ruining the jargon file, when in general the oranges tend to *like* whatever garbage ESR says.
exactly! almost everything proposed in the thread is basically ESR but more so too. it feels a lot like they’re shitting on him because it’s popular, while rebroadcasting his philosophy because it’s one of the major influences that led to the formulation of what hacker news thinks a hacker is
(not to imply that shitting on esr because it’s popular makes it at all wrong; fuck esr, and fuck the corporate hacker culture he popularized)
@self We just had a fight in my house over whether RMS is worse than ESR or vice versa. I think we settled on two people who are both overwhelmingly gross, like trying to decide if Jackson or Trump was a worse president. Why not both?
the way I like to think of it is that any of the good of hacker culture definitely wasn’t encapsulated by the folks who fought tooth and nail to lead and appropriate it; nor was any of it driven forward by the early VCs who stole (literally, as taxpayer-funded research we all owned it) tech like Lisp machines and drove it all into the fucking ground creating the first AI bubble, destroying communities where knowledge was shared freely (and machines where it was assumed you had free access to source code) in search of a quick buck
the good was in the community, as it has been in so many things venture capitalists have destroyed since. hacker culture’s first mistake was choosing to not be so vocally socialist that the corps would get scared; we’ve seen now how that ends, every time
but also, and I can’t emphasize this enough, fuck rms: https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Richard_Stallman
“I’ve never installed gahnoo slash linucks” -RMS
Did the jargon file fail to evolve, or did Raymond just stop maintaining it? It roughly coincides with when the full extent of his brain breakage became apparent ("anti idiotiarian manifesto.")
Or maybe it represents the end of when the Stallmanites, The corporate types (incl. Raymond) and the Linux Fandom actually saw eye-to-eye.