Transfem

The way I see it, many cis people that don't understand trans folk (even if they're supportive) and think that being trans is about femininity or masculinity. That's it. So the supportive ones, they're happy to see people challenging those norms, often, precisely because they believe that masculinity and femininity need to be deconstructed. And the non supportive ones, they see trans people "getting it wrong" by focusing on gender (which they don't think is real) instead of breaking down the social norms (despite many of them not wanting those norms broken down).

And then you have trans folk maybe talking about when they were still in self denial or maybe celebrating an aspect of life that society previously denied them, and to the phobic folk, it looks exactly like what they want to believe, which is that trans identity is simply about masculinity and femininity.

Of course, gender diverse identities are far more complex than simply our relationships with masculinity and femininity, but the reality of that experience is something that very few cis people will ever understand, which makes for an uphill battle in trying to get it across to them, and makes for an easy opportunity for the phobes to drive a wedge in.

It's why we won't ever argue cis folk out of transphobia by appealing to their reason and by trying to explain our experiences. We avoid transphobia by appealing to empathy and by normalising our existence

This is why it’s important to have spaces (nearly) exclusively for trans people to share their experiences. Cis people are often unaware of their biases and share their experiences thinking it will help when it’s often harmful. Especially on blahaj lemmy there’s lots of cis people and when they come across trans content they feel inclined to chime in. It’s not necessarily a bad thing but when the cis replies are overwhelming the trans perspectives then imo it defeats the purpose of a trans/lgbtq community

There's nothing wrong with anyone's self conception of their gender. Gender isn't confined by parameters and criteria, and it isn't subject to outside analysis. If a man felt that wearing dresses made him feel masculine, there is no valid argument to the contrary. Masculinity and femininity are relative terms just like man and woman are. It doesn't matter what someone on the outside thinks. It should be socially unacceptable to question that aspect of someone.

Gender and gender experience is unique to every person. It's who we are, and it's whatever we feel that it is. There's nothing wrong with being a feminine cis guy, or a masculine trans woman, or someone who rejects those labels altogether and identifies as agender. It's so frustrating hearing transphobes argue that we, through trans rights and liberation, are enforcing gender roles. When that is quite literally the exact opposite of what we're doing.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but yeah, this subject brings up a lot of feelings for me. The whole notion of trans liberation being "new gender roles" comes up a lot from transmedicalists too, who in some attempt to acquire the sympathy of cisgender transphobes will sometimes "agree" that cis kids are being forced to transition by overzealous doctors reassigning gender roles based on conventional masculinity/femininity.

That was a fairly annoying thread to read through. A lot of cis people who totally lack the context of in-jokes and trans experiences using gender abolition as a weapon against trans people.

Like, I don't necessary even disagree with the basic principles espoused by them. I'm not really a fan of gender. Would be better if we didn't have it IMO. I personally don't care about "signs" that are just doing things that are stereotypically associated with girls or boys like dolls or trucks. The things I think of as "haha, lol, I was an egg" moments are things like when I said like "I don't like being considered a guy, but I'm not a woman so I guess I'm technically cis." I do think some trans people takes those types of "signs" too seriously, and either try to label GNC people trans by calling them eggs or are in self-denial longer because they don't think they had those signs. But at least in the communities these kinds of memes are shared, the former often get called out and the latter is something that's commonly addressed.

Essentially accusing trans people of doing those things or reinforcing traditional gender for talking about how their personal experiences relate to their own gender is a bit ironic. Can't tell if they're concern trolling and just want an excuse to harass trans people or if they're actually just trying to promote their version of gender abolition in the most ineffective way possible.