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The Greens are looking to introduce changes to the rental market to "give everyone in New Zealand a healthy home to live in".

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This all seems pretty cool to me. When we came to NZ from The Netherlands ten years ago we were very worried to see how the rental market works. Luckily we could buy something quickly. In NL it works so much better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you provide some insights on the differences? I'm curious to hear what else we could improve.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Quality of houses was the first one. Double glazing and insulation have been standard since 1980. So weird to come here to see houses without insulation or double glazing.

Tenants have way more rights, e.g. as a landlord, you can't just decide to sell the house when you have tenants. And there are just more houses available. Density of housing is high, not like NZ where most houses are detached.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Quality of housing is a big issue, definitely. I've wintered in Canada in very cold conditions, and houses never felt cold or damp. That being said, the standards for new house builds are a lot higher. We built some years ago, and we need to open windows during the day in winter if it's sunny as it just gets too warm in living room.

Housing density is the other big one for me. I've lived in cities overseas with fewer people than Akl. They were always more compact, easier for transport, and more convenient. This is, in large part, due to high density housing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve wintered in Canada in very cold conditions, and houses never felt cold or damp.

This actually makes it easier for houses to not be damp! Very cold air can barely hold any water. The comparatively warmer winters in our subtropical climate leave a lot of moisture in rhe air.

Though, and I've said this before, the comparatively warmer winters probably let us get away with a lower standard of housing, and now we have grown used to that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, good point. It didn't snow for about a month, due to the low humidity. I should have just pointed out the warmth of the houses only.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if there are companies in NZ that build houses to a standard that people coming from overseas expect?

I know heatpump powered central heating is becoming more common, but it seems only for those who know to ask for it. I'd be interested in knowing what other things make warmer houses, so I know to look out for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When we built, we went with a smaller local contractor. We came from a cold, damp, house, so specified we wanted it WARM. Something that helped is we have polystyrene backed cladding. This isn't included in the R-value calcs for Code, but definitely helps. We also went with thermally broken frames, which wasn't worth the money I don't think.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I went searching to see what might be different overseas. I picked Canada, and found a page saying Canadian's use about 60% of their total energy use heating their home. So I thought maybe they are just more willing to crank the heater up

But then I came across this page. It lists typical R-value for insulation. The numbers are in the 30-60 range... that's got to be a difference in how they measure, right? I don't think you can buy insulation more than an R value of about 4 in NZ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Correct, US vs European (and NZ in our case) R values are different. Comparison: https://www.myonlinediary.com/index.php/Insulation/US-EuropeanRValueConvertionTables

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At this point I feel like there's nothing I need to know about the green party. There's no way I could vote for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have issues with the Green's leadership and naive infighting, but this policy could improve our housing stock, help kerb the cost of living crisis, and potentially stabilise our insanely overinflated housing market. All sorely necessary.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What impresses me the most is the Greens are not just tinkering around the edges, but proposing serious changes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

About time someone acted (or at least, talked about it!)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because of this proposal or other reasons?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah not this proposal since I haven't read it. I don't like the greens because they are awful people, awful politicians and so incredibly out of touch.

My only exception to that is chole. Even though I don't agree with her on much I think she's respectable and doing what she thinks is best.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you give some examples why? We're voting greens as our main concerns are climate change and income inequality. The greens seems to be the best choice then.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haha nothing I could say is going to convince you. We are operating on two very different lists of issur priority.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fair enough...

Do you mind sharing what issues are important to you?

Sorry, didn't realize I was sorting by new and got something 3 months old - am the doofus!