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The city would start leasing the complex through its Department of Housing Stability (HOST) on Sept. 1.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think using the whole building for low income or homeless housing is a mistake. It's going to turn to shit. What they need to do is sprinkle low income families in amongst medium income residents.

This has the added benefit of providing some income to the program and increasing social mobility.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

That’s worked well in Vienna and Manhattan’s Lower East Side.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

There’s 1,300 unsheltered homeless people in Denver. This hotel has near 200 rooms. With space in each room for multiple residents, this can put a major dent into the amount of homeless on the street if it’s used exclusively for that purpose. Plus, other homeless shelters in the Denver/Boulder area are spread crazy thin as it is. It’ll take a massive effort to keep it from going downhill but I think it can be done.

I like what you’re proposing, but I think this idea is just addressing a different goal. Plus there are probably better places than a hotel to integrate homeless into low/medium income society.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It depends on what their goal is.if it's just to give people temporary shelter for 6 months or so it could be an effective halfway house style setup. If it's meant to be permanent housing, the it would be better to have a mix. If it's just about headlines, then throw the most problematic homeless there and let the place get destroyed in 3 months.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

6 months won't work, it'll take another 6 months renovation afterwards.

We need better solutions than short term warehousing, I've seen tiny house and similar systems that seem to have worked some, the key is to keep things manageable but ensure the expectation that the user is responsible.

The moment you have hallways you go back to Cabrini green really quickly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

We've experienced this where I am, and I agree. Mixed demographic high density is necessary to prevent the stigmatisation that comes from living in designated ghettos.

It does look like they're thinking about these things to sone degree though, thankfully:

40% of the units designated for tenants earning 30% of the Denver area’s median income.

I am very happy that there are efforts to help the homeless though. I hope it is to help, and not just hide away.

I'm personally a fan of Singapore's rules which make 5% of all new development social housing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It has been pretty successful in my county. The county bought up around seven hotels to house the homeless. Several hundred homeless are housed until they can find more permanent housing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too Few of those programs exist. However, I’ve heard they are very competitive and make people jump through lots of hoops.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There's also waiting lists a mile long in most cases.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

😂 no walled off ghettos with final solutions per the GOP 🇺🇸😭

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

One hundred ninety-three of the units would be used for housing low-income people, with 40% of the units designated for tenants earning 30% of the Denver area’s median income.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now we wait for the neighbors pour in against it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong. One of my old workplaces got demolished to make way for mixed demographic housing, but directly above it (the complex was at the bottom of a cliff) was a McMansion subdivision. Now the apartments going up aren't planned to cost less than $3k when all the apartments around it cost less than $1k.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always wonder how well these conversions work. Do they add a kitchen and call it a studio apartment?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You would not necessarily need that. There could be a communal kitchen or a cafeteria. This is not meant to be permanent housing