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Scientists are sounding the alarm that a crucial component of the planet’s climate system is in gradual decline and could one day reach a tipping point that would radically alter global weather patterns.

The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, or AMOC, is a system of ocean currents that circulate water in the Atlantic Ocean like a conveyor belt, helping to redistribute heat and regulate global and regional climates. New research, however, warns that the AMOC is weakening under a warming climate, and could potentially suffer a dangerous and abrupt collapse with worldwide consequences.

“This is bad news for the climate system and humanity,” researchers from Utrecht University’s Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research wrote in a new study published in the journal Science Advances.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Won’t somebody think about the profits?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

exactly what the profits predicted

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The profits always know best!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

such wise profits

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There Is No Business to Be Done on a Dead Planet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I do think about them.... I do not get any... but I think about them. 🤔

[–] [email protected] 45 points 8 months ago (13 children)

tipping point scenarios are very horrifying. And all the global warming deniers will probably be like "but it wasn't because of global warming it was because this ocean current collapsed!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

We told all those fish that if they kept swimming the way they were this would happen.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The gulf stream is weakening and could collapse too. I'm tired of living in interesting times.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why do you think the ultra rich are building themselves doomsday bunkers? Conflict and disaster are coming.

They believe the science they're asking you to ignore. They also believe they're not planning to stop anything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Which shows why obsecenely rich people need to be kept at bay. Anyone who builds a doomsday bunker while profiting off the destruction of the climate is a genocidal mass murderer who enjoys killing people.

Living in a doomsday bunker is so much fucking worse than living in a sustainable society, while being just very rich instead of obsecenely rich.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The first one gets shock

The second one gets attention

The third one develops the pattern

Suddenly redistributing wealth is important for our economy and society more than it was before the first.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

It’s not just immorality of it, it’s the absolutely fucked logic of it. How many of them have actually thought through the scenario in which they have to actually use their doomsday bunker? How long will their supplies last? How many people they pay to help them would still do so after the value of money drops to nothing? They won’t last long.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Russia becomes the most fertile country if global warming occurs

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Anyone else feeling deflated?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

On the bright side, it says in the article they figure there's a 95% chance this will not happen in the next 75 years, and that we don't know enough about the natural variability in the current to draw up any significant conclusions. They said the last time the current shut down was after the last ice age, when a significantly larger amount of freshwater melted into the oceans than is melting today

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

I've just given up, the world won't change so I just accept that climate disasters will happen and live day to day until disaster hits my area. Definitely not having kids that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Oh, don't worry, we will ignore this too... We're all gonna turn this planet into a living hell for ourselves, and as a species, we will completely deserve the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

But not me. I want change. I want to put nature first... This sucks.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Good article; this news has been making the rounds for quite some time, but this article actually goes into more thorough detail re: what various effects we might see worldwide.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (9 children)

If everyone were allowed to work from home for jobs that don't require physical presence, this would pretty much sort itself out. Also take the train instead of flying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

While I agree that remote work is positive for the climate 1 )I think you overestimate the number of jobs that can be done remotely. 2) Emissions shift from transportation to home climate control, which may be a net positive in most cases but not necessarily.

It is a start but we need bigger policy changes than that for it to "sort itself out"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I also feel this is may be good but could not be, the number you didn’t give is too large, the benefit would be good but might not be, and this simple step should be replaced with large complicated ones.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At this point, I don't care anymore. We're effed anyway, there is no future for us... Even when aliens landed and took over the world it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe they'll do a better job.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

That's a problematic way to think about it though. We can still get away with it, it's gonna be bad and loads of people will die and the world will be fucked, but it will be nothing compared to what might happen if we give up and let capitalists steamroll us.
Being apathetic leads to inaction and that's the opposite of what's needed right now. Even if it feels small and pointless, it's still something that can lead to a better future by composite effect (single snowflake in the avalanche kind of thing).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

BTW friendly reminder that by the time this is posted and the time you read it we'll be releasing even more CO2 than any moment in history before. Not only have we not done a fucking thing about climate change, the rate we create CO2 has only increased.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Oh? And what has changed so far? Because I've been holding onto hope my whole life and nothing. has. changed....

what's more dangerous? Apathy or fraud? Because your thinking is just fraud.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of things have changed, as with everything, it's gradual.
Obviously we need a big bang in how the world works but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.
Most CO2 emissions are growing less fast than they used to, renewables are on the rise, electrification is rising as well, nuclear power is also on the rise both on generation and new construction.
People have slowly realised that there is actually something wrong with the climate in the last decades.
It's very slow, too slow and it's gonna get tough but we're getting there.
I'm not sure to understand how me thinking, that action and progress, as slow as they are, is a fraud.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

We're not getting anywhere. You're being spoon-fed greenwashed nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every major country's highest CO2 emitting years are in the past. Renewable energy is far cheaper than most fossil fuels. Renewables will become the majority energy supplier for the planet next year. We won't stop at 1.5C, but that was just a milestone for a climate agreement. We're no longer looking at >4C, and we're closing in on avoiding >3C.

Don't get me wrong, shit's going to get tough, but we're not doomed, not yet.

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