How about actually tackling inequality instead of trying to hide it?
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Education is, unironically, the best tool to combat inequality, but the effect only kicks in after the students have finished school.
In the meantime, uniforms cut down on bullying. What else do you want them to do? They don't have a magic wand, nor do they have magic money to hand out to struggling parents.
Edit: unironically some of the dumbest takes I've ever read on the internet in this thread.
In the meantime, uniforms cut down on bullying.
Do they? I don't think so, people are just gonna get bullied with different "reasons", it's not really about the clothes after all.
I never saw someone got bullied for their clothes in my environment.
But kids got bullied for wearing glasses, let's hope they ban those then. Also, better to not let kids with weird accents in school. Wouldn't want to provoke the bullies.
So you got rid of one reason to bully, so bullies shifted to other stuff. How does this help now? Are there some studies, that prove school uniforms lead to quantitative less bullying? If yes, I would be interested in that.
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There is enough magic money to distribute if France (and every other country) would tax the rich.
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That's not even true. Children can differentiate between the cheap and expensive uniforms
Aren't they provided by the school? Or can you have a super high class tailor make you a uniform? I have no idea about school uniforms.
What else do you want them to do?
How about working with troubled kids to address the underlying issues?
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I've noticed that people on Lemmy aren't happy with incremental change for the better. It always has to be a magic solution that solves everything. It's pretty silly but also understandable considering the demographics of Lemmy.
Nah they like fancy clothes better, they know it will work. In the meantime, they will also cut 8000 jobs from education too.
Apart from all the other points made here, I always wonder why uniforms have to look like there has been no development in clothing/fashion for the last 100+ years? Why do they have to look like they are extras on a Harry Potter filmset?
Some schools have uniforms that are just khakis and a polo, but yeah I dunno why a lot of places think blazers and ties are a good idea. I had to wear those in HS and never got used to it-- still hate ties to this day
If the uniforms are provided, with needed accessories to be worn correctly, then sure.
If it's just an "affordable" vendor, then meh.
Fines only work on the poor, and a not-free but mandatory uniform simply acts like a fine for being poor.
Bases on the news, a basic kit is provided. What worries me is the only 2 polo shirts part. (but a blazer jacket because they have their priorities right). I can't see how family will keep them clean without buying extra ones. Not a problem for kids from middle class and above family who have access to a dryer and an afford a couple of "same colour polo shirt" which "should do the trick as part of an uniform assuming the principal isn't a asshole). But if you're from a poor family, where clothes need 3 days to dry on a rack. They'll be the stinky dirty kid
In most climates, clothes will dry in 1 day. Still β 3 is the absolute minimum: 1 to wear, 1 to wash, 1 to dry.
Oh look, the far right pretending they care about children again... Let's see... I'm gonna bet on some minister has some shares in a clothes factory somewhere
Not just provided, but also provided in sufficient amounts. And ideally with a comprehensive replacement policy. If you give just one then there will be problems when it needs cleaning or if it gets damaged.
I was on board until I heard it was the far right, those guys and uniforms have a bad history.
Allow us to tackle inequality by forcing poor families to buy expensive uniforms from our selected supplier.
Please ignore all our financial links with said supplier.
Fuck that shit.
Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. Kids know.
Especially today or are they going to provide uniform phones, social media pictures,... too?
I hated wearing uniforms in school, but as an adult idk it wasnβt that bad so long as theyβre unisex and modern. I still hate wearing business casual but I did never get picked on for dressing poorly
Getting picked on for dressing poorly is definitely what school uniform is trying to tackle.
Which shows that they really don't understand bullying and are looking for an easy way out. Bullies will now just pick another "excuse" to harass other kids. If you want to have less bullying you have to tackle why bullies do so in the first place. And that's personal problems of the bullies them self and not external factors.
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There are ways to pick on kids for being poor even in school uniform. Trousers too short cause the kid grew and parents couldnt afford new trousers? Picked on. Not wearing the latest brand name shoes with your uniform? Picked on. White shirts starting to look a little grubby cause its just been washed too often? Picked on. Backpack not the latest in kids fashion world? Picked on.
We were little shits at school and could always find a way to bully the poor kid even with school uniforms.
School uniforms are an extra financial burden on those who are already poor and more often than not have to be purchased through a specific supplier. If your tie was off brand from the supplier and slightly cheaper it might be the wrong shade instead. I saw teachers send poor kids home for having the wrong shade of blue on their jumper or tie cause their parents tried to buy a cheaper option.
I just do not see this as a solution and it also gives members of staff a way to bully poor kids too.
Thanks for mentioning the teacher-point. In many cases itβs really a teacher who starts or legitimizes the bullying by treating a child badly.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But uniforms have made a return to one town as part of a government pilot scheme to establish if they can reduce inequality β and improve behaviour.
In the Brittany village of Plouisy, the mayor from Emmanuel Macronβs Renaissance party signed up for the experiment but pulled out after complaints from angry parents.
Uniforms were first introduced in secondary schools in France by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1802, who wanted to instil more military-style discipline in the education system, and were modelled on army outfits.
They have not been compulsory in state schools in mainland France since 1968, seen as a watershed moment in French society because of the civil unrest that dominated the spring.
In 2016 the rightwing presidential candidate François Fillon and the far-right leader Marine Le Pen included the imposition of school uniforms in their election manifesto.
Parents are divided about the utility of introducing uniforms: some have suggested it will lead to more apparent equality while others have pointed out that inequalities can be still expressed in such items as shoes, scarves, mobile phones and backpacks.
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This is just dump as people will flex woth different things: Smartphones, Watches, Jewlery, the Car their Parrents pick them up in, their School Bag Brand ...
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