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The French government issued a decree Tuesday banning the term "steak" on the label of vegetarian products, saying it was reserved for meat alone.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago (27 children)

What a strange thing to be pedantic about

[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago

Meat industry lobbyists + corruption = stupid shit

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Oh we're good at this. In the whole EU it's not allowed to print 'milk' or 'cheese' on something that doesn't contain actual animal's milk. Want to sell soy milk? Ok but don't call it that way...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except for coconut milk, because reasons.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's weird, since "milk" in English has included plant milk longer than the taxonomic definition of a "mammal" has existed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We're not allowed to call part of the night sky, the Milky Way any more.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

It actually is allowed for German "Scheuermilch" ("scouring cream", which is a cleaning detergent, literal translation: "scrubbing milk").

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

The law only addresses agricultural products but yeah there are exceptions for products that were traditional before the law was passed

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dec/2010/791/oj

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh hell. I've been drinking Scheuermilch! I thought it was a bit crunchy

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And we had this minister for transport Scheuer...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Germany has a whole line of not milks, almost chicken, like chicken, thun visch and i can almost be certain i saw mjolk and moloko somehwere. I always chuckle a bit when i see it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Smells a little fishy, I assume

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I can tell you a little about how Germany does this and I think the rest of the EU & France should be similar. There is a government body defining what specific foods are and if your food doesn't match that, you can't name it like the food in question. And that does make sense - butter has to be made from milk and not some palm oil mixed together by shady businesses and milk has to come from an animal and can't be water & white paint.

This does make sense and really protects the consumer. It does - however - really run into problems when dealing with those vegetarian meat replacements. It would make sense to sell a "vegetarian ham", but ham has an exact, legal definition and part of that definition is that ham has to contain meat.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So cocoa butter, peanut butter, and other nut butters are out.

It's dumb. It's not about protecting consumers, it's about protecting corporate interests.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I find it helpful to have the thing being imitated as part of the name, but not the full name. It makes for an easy way to know what the taste and texture should be and how it can be used in cooking. My kid developed a dairy allergy recently and vegan butter in particular is so easy to substitute in old favorite recipes without changing the flavor much or cooking method. As for meat imitations, a “vegetarian steak” (or ham) label conveys a lot about the texture, moisture, saltiness, and cooking techniques you can expect to use while a generic name such as “plant protein block” leaves you much more clueless as to what the texture and cooking method is meant to be for that item. I don’t think it should be legal to sell plant substitutes as only “steak “ or “butter”, but calling it “plant steak” or “plant butter” is way more straightforward and easy to fit on a label than a lengthy description of “plant patty with a fibrous, chewy texture and savory flavor resembling steak.”

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

A milk is what I mix with my cereal, pour in my coffee, use in a pancake mixture and so on. I can't see any logic behind limiting this to animal products other than a political agenda.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And that does make sense - butter has to be made from milk

cries in coal butter

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

It's almost as if words should mean something. Now do milk vs juice.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's even dumber than you think:

Producers elsewhere in the European Union can continue to sell vegetarian food with meat names in France.

It's so incredibly dumb it's honestly amazing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wtf. Had to reread the article like 3 times to figure out the mental gymnastics

So if consumers don't understand the labels, then how is banning only French producers from using them in France going to help? They still have to read the labels from other areas in Europe...do they think the French companies will make more money if consumers aren't confused? So they're trying to stifle imported goods? That's the only thing I can think of lol i can't make it make sense

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (19 children)

There's no "thinking" happening. Only the convergence of two opposite things:

  • French politicians wanted to please the meat industry;
  • The EU free market has a strictly defined set of rules that essentially prevents member states from banning "EU-legal" stuff from being sold in their country (as I understand it – because in practice it's a very complex topic and the EU is not nearly as overbearing with its laws as "euroskeptics" tend to portray them, like when during COVID borders were completely closed despite far-right parties having spouted for years that Freedom of Movement meant the end of territorial sovereignty and what-have-you).

Now the politicians got their headlines so they're happy, and in practice almost nothing changes for the consumer so they're mostly happy. Ah and the veggie producers get fucked in the process, but the politicians don't care and the consumers don't know or care.

It's basically the dumb version of the current agricultural protests (the French farmers are pissed, among other things, that their products have to compete with "common EU market" products which were made using lots of cheap pesticides that would be illegal to use in France. Now to be fair it's not a 1-to-1 comparison because pesticide usage has profound health effects on local populations but you get the idea).

Either way to avoid unfair treatment of local producers, the government has to either deregulate the industry to match the lowest common EU denominator, or to successfully lobby the EU to raise the requirements everywhere. Or I guess just treat producers unfairly and hope they'll be able to compete anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

It's just the standard intersection between domestic and EU law when it comes to food labelling.

E.g. if you want to sell stuff in Germany as beer that isn't beer according to German law then you can't brew it in Germany, it has to be imported and thus fall under common market rules.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (61 children)

This is so stupid and a collosal waste of time. Do they really feel people are just so stupid they can't figure their stuff out for themselves?

Also, and I cant stress this enough, they are just wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

No beefsteak tomatoes for you!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

The politicians are trying to take away our steak!!1!

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