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Two More Russian Oil Refineries Targeted in Overnight Drone Assaults (www.kyivpost.com)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It is telling that the Ukrainians are hitting logistical targets inside Russia, and the Russians are hitting apartment buildings in Ukraine.

I can't remember where I read it, but somewhere I saw a study which tried to step back and answer the question "does this tactic of killing innocent civilians to break a country's resolve, actually have that effect" and the answer was in almost all cases an absolutely resounding fuck no. As you would expect, it just motivates them more to fight you and win.

Even taking the going-to-hell aspect out of it, and just focusing on Russia trying to win the war, them bombing civilians is a pure and counterproductive waste of munitions and of their own military's time.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Remember when the Nazis bombed London, and the British gave up? Remember when the allies firebombed Tokyo or Dresden and the war ended?

It doesn't work. Really the only time a country was bombed into submission, it took 2 nuclear weapons and the promise of more, and they were already in the verge of losing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"...2 nuclear weapons and the promise of more"

Not to mention 67+ cities firebombed, countless others traditionally bombed.

They held on for a ridiculous amount of punishment

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Also the population was starving due to the submarine campaign and the aerial naval minelaying wiping out most shipping.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

@TheMightyCanuck @Tar_alcaran
They were down to 1,000 calories a day by the end of the war, part of it from grasses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

it took 2 nuclear weapons and the promise of more, and they were already in the verge of losing.

Some historians argue that the bigger factor was the sowjets preparing to enter the war against Japan and that the nuclear bombs just kind of sped up the decision that was coming anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I felt the same way when the videos of Russians torturing and killing POWs was going around.

You're just teaching the Ukrainians that they should always fight instead of getting captured.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Fuck the blyats

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Cut off their funding, good stuff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Anybody know of any actual data that shows what sort of actual economic damage these attacks are causing? Are there significant fuel shortages etc. (and particularly in the Moscow area)?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@IphtashuFitz @LaFinlandia
Moscow doesn't publish Economic statistics.