Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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Looks like Discord will do a Reddit in the near future.
I recommend switching to Matrix.
the problem isn't switching, the problem is making all the other people using It to switch too, not everyone cares about security or ads
There's also privacy issues with Matrix:
Discord is also one (admittedly very lousy) company, while Matrix starts with the privacy issues and just gets worse
Edit x2: I can't place a parenthesis to save my life
I hate this recommendation because Matrix is just a terrible user experience. It has basically nothing of value over Discord other than being open source. Which is important but it's not enough to counteract the amount of basic quality of life stuff that is just absolutely trash garbage on Matrix. Stuff that no normal user is going to put up with.
If Discord does end up completely eviscerating itself the replacement will just be some new upstart closed Source program that is shiny just like how Discord took over from Slack it will not be the rise of Open Source because open source developers have no concept of user experience.
I mean we don't even need to start talking about how bad all the client options are and how half the features don't work and all that. You can look no further than the login system. Average users do not like want or accept having multiple options for logging in. There's a reason that irc, teamspeak, mumble despite in many ways being objectively Superior especially in the case of the voice chats ended up relegated to only nerds like us. Because no one else is willing to deal with keeping track of servers to connect with or how to cross join or add users.
Same reason that Lemmy is like 90% technical users that are already invested in something like Linux. The average user got frustrated by how fragmented everything is how many duplicate channels and content you would find between instances and how difficult it was to search instances in the first place. I am here because I can ultimately work around those emoians, but the average person? Is not willing to and they shouldn't have to
I'd love to be able to disagree in any of your points, but I can't.
The vast majority of users want something that simply works, is polished and intuitively usable. Reading docs, remembering anything other than the bare minimum, running into issues that don't get magically resolved within 5 minutes will turn them away forever.
Even people with a technical background will at least partially compromise and migrate towards the services with the most users to not isolate themselfs.
Matrix is neat, Lemmy is neat, Nextcloud is neat (well, in theory), Immich is neat, so many other privacy friendly solutions are neat. But they'll always be irrelevant in the global context.
With how much they been cash grabbing, I'm not surprised.
If only I could convince 30 people I barely know to switch platforms.
I’m constantly looking for something that could replace discord for me, I need something like the discord screen/game streaming to consider changing apps.
Looking at all those companies that moved their support to Discord.
But I thought we cold have free support in realtime with security updates for free forever?
People aren't going to move on. Some of you really live in a bubble when it comes to this stuff. Users complained about ads on Facebook, reddit, Twitter, YouTube and everything else and no matter how many times you guys declare those services dead the reality is that they are still the default for most. Even in the unlikely scenario that a large amount of users do permanently leave, they won't migrate to the privacy respecting service you want them to.
Some are and some aren't. Like a lot of folks on here are here because reddit went to shit.
A minority are, yes. reddit is still massive and continuing to grow while Lemmy participation has fallen off noticeably and continues to decline.
while Lemmy participation has fallen off noticeably and continues to decline.
Fediverse Observer says otherwise: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats
Active users have been steady since the Reddit migration, posts and comments per day each dipped but bounced back and currently growing.
(Last I checked) From this spreadsheet, Discord is the fourth worst messaging platform in terms of privacy. Now a new row for "Has ads" will have to be added...
According to my iPhones privacy viewer it’s almost worse than Facebook.
Discord can do shit like this because they know many won't ever try to use an alternative. You need more than just "open source" "privacy" or "FOSS" to convince people.
To be fair, there was a time before Discord. People once used MSN, Skype, Teamspeak, IRC, etc.
They shouldn't get too comfortable with the idea that people won't just up and leave.
This. Open source apps are generally awful at presenting themselves to a broader audience.
Even for me, who's technical enough, an app being FOSS is not enough to even bother checking out. Yes, I've said it. Sorry, tinfoils, but I do put features above else. And, want it or not, general public does the same: if the featureset is not clear enough at first glance, and an app doesn't explicitly provide clarity on what it does and how it is better than competition, most people aren't even checking it out.
It's an unpopular opinion but I completely agree. I've tried Matrix, not only could I not get more than 2% of my community to try it, but it's horribly unintuitive and limited for server owners. Shut it down after a few months.
I have a rocket chat server going now, some similar issues, but at least it has more control than Matrix. Still only a fraction of my Discord and Telegram user base has joined, but it's similar enough that people are at least willing to try.
FOSS alone is not enough, the wider public doesn't care, they just want something easy and convenient.
Ads are the least of your worries on Discord
mumble is free and open source.
So is Matrix and it includes self-hosting and end-to-end encryption enabled by default.
Did they rewrite that crappy Python server in something with better performance by now? I tried self-hosting Matrix a few years ago and gave up after the one room I joined hadn't finished syncing after a whole day (admittedly it was their main matrix chat room with lots of members but still).
https://matrix.org/ecosystem/servers/
There are multiple options for homeservers and the Python one is just one of several implementations. There are others written in C++, Rust, Go!, etc.
Isn't Mumble just a voice chat software? I don't think that is the main use case for Discord for most people.
Yeah, discord is for running a community not just chatting in voice.
revolt.chat is pretty good. It's open source as well. The interface is exactly the same as Discord. And best of all, you don't need nitro to have a gif background or profile picture. Markdown is also supported in the profile description so you can have very fancy descs.
I didn't get past the sign in page because I was having too much fun looking at all of the localization options for their website.
The default is "🇺🇸 English (Simplified)", but they have "☠️Pirate", "Toki Pona", "🥹Bottom", "😸OwO", "🪄 Enchantment Table", and many other funny options.
Enshittyfication as normal
Good. Maybe people will finally move on to something else.
Resisting? It was a clear strategy: use VC money to give away something for free then charge/monetize to give back those investors all the money, with interests
If you don't use Discord for voice much, Matrix has a pretty solid bridges you can use.
Hosting your own Matrix server is suprisingly way easier than I though - got a VM on hertzner for like 5$ a month, and there is an Ansible script that takes care of the setup for you. It's also one of those rare cases where someone made an Ansible script that actually works, instead of you getting stuck in dependency-hell (seriously, fuck npm. Not a single docker or ansible tool that has used it ever worked for me out of the box. Python can get simillarly annoying).
They have a pretty easy to follow guide, and the whole setup took me like 20 minutes. I only edited a few options in config.yml (mostly to add Messenger and Discord bridge), and ran the ansible, and it worked at first try.
So I could at least ditch both messenger and discord apps from my PC and phone, without having to convince anyone to quit their poison - with only issue being that you can't use Discord voice. And that the messenger bridge is still unreliable sometimes, but those are still minor inconviniences in comparison to my deep-seated hate for Meta.
Of course - Meta still gets my chat data and content, same as Discord. But at least they don't get anything else from my phone or PC.
Goddamn I wish it wasn't so hard to convince friends that discord sucks. I'd rather just send SMS than use discord to communicate with my social circle.
SMS? You mean the paid, vendor lock-in, MITMable traffic? Possibly one of the only options that is actually worse than Discord
I wouldn’t say it’s great for me, because I have to use it for some people who just refuse to use an open source alternative.