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Compounds produced by heating some fruit-flavoured vape liquids have implications for lung and cardiovascular disease and cancer

Archived version: https://archive.ph/1PiTb

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[–] ryannathans 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Vape research is almost always terrible quality. Practically every study uses temperatures completely intolerable and unrealistic, they don't reflect ordinary use. That's not to say vaping is healthier than not vaping, but it obvious to see it's far safer than smoking

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah, this study was basically just guessing how various chemicals break down under heat. The fact that they reference the EVALI bullshit tells me the study can be safely ignored.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Next they are going to say that smoking is bad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I suppose from a harm reduction standpoint the big question is: has vaping dropped chronic disease that has been traditionally linked to tobacco products or is it equally or more dangerous than traditional tobacco products? If it's reducing mortality and disease, then that's a good thing overall even it still poses some risk to long term health. Obviously you don't want to use traditional tobacco products or vape products if you want a healthy cardiovascular system.

[–] ryannathans 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Far safer, probably even with garbage quality import vapes. You can see when someone at your gym swaps from smoking to vaping, their performance skyrockets. Clear as day their lungs are working better. Shouldn't be a huge surprise given there is no tar when vaping

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Far safer, agreed. After 20-years of smoking, I quit coughing within 3-weeks.

OTOH, I just quit vaping (10-years) and started the nicotine pouches. Game. Changed. I had no idea how bad vaping was for me. (That was bad for me personally. YMMV depending on several factors. I basically vaped like it was air.)

[–] ryannathans 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I assume you mean patches, not pouches haha

How long did it take to see improvement after you swapped to patches?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

pouches. they're like snus, but no tobacco, only nicotine

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Careful, those things cause awful gum recession and potential tooth loss if you use them regularly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That’s better for your lungs, but far, FAR worse for mouth teeth and gums

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

can you link studies on this? i've been looking but can't find-- and i've been using pouches for years and haven't noticed those side effects

[–] ryannathans 1 points 6 months ago

Oh yeah, so few people use them here I assumed you typoed haha

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It's absolutely not as dangerous as smoking.

Also, nicotine alone has heart positive effects.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm always wary of studies about products, but at least in this case the funding is governmental instead of private

D.W. acknowledges the Synthesis and Solid State Pharmaceutical Centre (SSPC) and Science foundation Ireland for funding support, Grant Number 12/RC/2275_P2

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

This really isn't a product study. They're just guessing how chemicals will break down under heat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Well imagine my shock.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait. Smoking is bad? You think someone would have said something by now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago

Sucking foreign materials into your lungs is bad? You think someone would have said something by now.

Jesus fuck! I see why people fucking hate Lemmy. Fucking nerds