"Roughly 80 percent of respondents" to a poll posted in a dark web forum with 3,000 members said that "they had used or intended to use AI tools to create child sexual abuse images,"
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this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2023
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sort of surprised it's 80% - but if there's no law against it...
There are laws against it in the US.
From the article:
Two officials from the US Justice Department’s Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section told The Washington Post that AI-generated images depicting "minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct" are illegal under at least two US laws.
One law "makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene." The other law "defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor," including "computer-generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor."
Similar laws have been struck down by the Supreme Court in the past under the argument that if no children are being harmed (ie, these aren't pictures of actual children), then there is no basis for the government to restrict creation and possession of the images.
Right. Except these models were trained on something.
Thats pretty fucking dumb considering it normalizes the idea of sexualizing children. Are policymakers really oblivious to how that will go?
Does video game violence normalize regular violence? Are people playing violent video games going out and harming people.
Can’t believe this argument is still being used in 2023.
I don't think that number means anything. The way it's phrased it's 80% of some unknown percentage of 3000 users, so could be 5 people responded, one that is an actual pedo said 'yes', one that is an actual pedo said 'no', and the rest just said 'yes' to be edgy.
"In a dark web forum" - presumably not a forum about baking, manufacturing meth or pirating movies. In other words, they probably created the poll in a forum at least related to that kind of material/activity.
I am not saying that this is a good thing, but rather generated by AI than the real thing... Still fuckedup though.
It's equally illegal, at least in my country.
...how did they train the model though?
Not (necessarily) with real naked children. With kids with clothes, adults with clothes, and naked adults.
It's not hard for the AI to transpose from a clothed child to a naked one, it's basically the same thing as switching your gender or making you look old
The really sick aspect about this is that someone fed the AI with probably thousands of real child porn images to generate the fake ones.
That’s a hell of a leap and seems to be based in ignorance of the technology.
Your comment is based in ignorance of the technology. To have AI spit out images of a specific type, you also have to first feed it imagines of said type.
Again, you’re obviously ignorant of how this stuff actually works. That is simply not the case. Otherwise the training set would necessarily need to have images of every type that you hope to generate, an impossibility and which obviously isn’t the case - a very quick look at some of the crazier things people have generated disprove it. Training the model on nude and clothed images of adults and clothed images of children - as others have pointed out - would allow you to generate nude images of children. Could a model have been fine tuned with CSAM - yes; but it’s certainly not a given, and probably not necessary.
The stable diffusion sub has somewhat migrated over to the fediverse. You can find more information about how this stuff actually works beyond your introductory understanding of the concept there.
Its still fucked up, because it starts with shit like this before moving into real world encounters. Over time the predators brain will see it as a new normal and will want to escalate.
Do you know this or do you think this? I'm relieved I don't have much insight into the mind of pedos... But couldn't it be the other way around too?
Access to pornography lowers incidence of sexual assault
So it very much looks to be the other way around
You’ll still go to jail, even if it is fake, even if it is a cartoon character.
US defaultism
The bart simpson porn case I think was UK.
Depends on the country. Some only criminalize depictions where children were exploited or harmed, so the cartoon stuff might get a pass despite being nasty. AI images I'd imagine it might be hard to prove they aren't real children and at that point might be treated like a robbery with a fake weapon or selling fake drugs (still chargeable as the real thing in most places)