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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If you really want proof, look at Meloni’s Italy.

Ok but my point is you don't look at JUST meloni to judge the willingness of the whole european far right to follow the US, Meloni and her party are fiercely atlanticist in a way that the 3 examples I mentioned aren't, a hint at their difference is if they are in the ID or the ECR group in the euro parliament, ID parties "tend" to be "softer" on, say, russia and china but not always, and if one of these parties actually were willing to, for example, pull the plug on ukraine support if it came to power I don't see why america wouldn't act to keep that party from power. They didn't need to do that with meloni because she's always been a vocal supporter of american strategy.

I'm just saying this to complicate things a bit, I don't think it's certain at all that these EU-US skeptical far right parties would actually follow through on it, it's sort of like asking whether trump would actually stop backing ukraine, can't say for certain

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

They did in Portugal

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tbf I don't find this prospect unthinkable since some far-right parties in europe aren't quite as aligned with american strategy as others.

For example Le Pen (who is almost certainly winning in 2028), the german AfD and Orban have dissented, in different measures, to the establishment's position on ukraine and china. If a far-right party were to reach power in one of the big EU countries and they were expected to shift europe away from the US I don't see why the americans WOULDN'T interfere.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Real talk, this person is deeply disturbed, and they need to grow up

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Look at the way they talk. these people are children. We have literally federated with reddit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Look I'm not saying "progressive" is "good person", and I'm not interesting in claiming the label, let nato shills keep "progressive" and criticize "progressives" when they have to divert money from social issues to military expenditures

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're a child

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think you can, that's why "progressive politics" are so limited

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If you're pro-nato you're not a "leftist", you can be "on the left" or a "progressive"; but you're not a leftist

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That's the mantra of a hypocrite

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