Mander

I just got burnt. Wrote up a relatively high-effort post in:

http://mandermybrewn3sll4kptj2ubeyuiujz6felbaanzj3ympcrlykfs2id.onion/c/water

clicked sumbit, and it simply ate my msg. Redrew a blank form.. no way to recover the info loss. This is my 1st use of the onion, so I did not think to enable 1st party j/s (which is strangely off be default in noScript on Tor Browser despite clearnet sites having 1st party js enabled by default). It’s unclear if it’s a JS problem or if it’s because the onion version uses a quite old/classic reddit-like theme. In any case, it sucks.. it’s a defect for sure.

I'm experiencing a weird bug lately.

When I'm logged in, if I follow an external link (from lemmyverse.net, for instance) to here, the tab that opens is not logged in, and stays that way even if I navigate around the instance. If I then open another new tab, and directly visit mander.xyz, I'm logged in correctly as normal.

I'm wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? I don't know what could cause this or how to find out if it's a bug with lemmy, mander, or my browser config.

It happens consistently with any mander.xyz community. Errors nearly identical to this:

{"error":"unknown","message":"Request error: error sending request for url (http://pictrs:8080/image/original/4083b4bb-ab1d-45cc-9ff0-72280ce5c2ff.jpeg): operation timed out"}

This time it was this image:

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/4083b4bb-ab1d-45cc-9ff0-72280ce5c2ff.jpeg

It only happens with images. I only browse on mobile, android. I've had it happen in Firefox and the boost app, haven't tried it anywhere else. Let me know if I can provide any other info that will help.

This only happens to me with mander.xyz, and consistently happens every evening with nearly all images. Maybe 1 out of 20 times I'll get lucky and an image will load. There are too many communities I like here so I haven't just blocked it yet, hoping it can be fixed eventually. :)

Edit: I did see that other post about broken images but it looked like the error was different from the one I always get so I made a separate post.

Anyone else noticing? It seems to be affecting other instances as well, since instances hot link to eachother.

The rate limiting seems to get much worse in the evenings.

lemmy.world:

mander.xyz:

{
  "code": "object-request-error",
  "msg": "Invalid status 429 Too Many Requests for Some(\\"01/90/24/ad/1d/8d/7e/8a/82/ee/7104ff150707.png\\") - {\n \\"message\\":\\"Too many requests\\"\n}"
}

I'm working on re-creating a logo we had last year onto this year's #Canvas. The site, complete with template, is linked above!

#Canvas2024

After all these recent upgrades, updates and improvements, things are going veeert smoothly and fast!🔥 I think this comment I made about a week ago about experiencing slow responses is no longer valid!

Sal and anyone else who helped, you did a great job! Thank you!☺️

The instance has been updated to version 0.19.4!

You can see the official release post and notes here: https://lemmy.ml/post/16585359?scrollToComments=true

Since this update required some manual intervention anyway to update the database version, I took the opportunity to perform some overdue server maintenance and upgrades.

I have migrated the server to a more powerful configuration, and changed the way image files are being stored and served (object storage as opposed to filesystem storage).

I am also aware of some federation issues that have affected this and other instances. I am not sure whether this upgrade will deal with these problems automatically. I will be looking into it and hopefully will implement some solution soon.

Sorry for the downtime experienced in the past few days, but hopefully with the more powerful server the experience will be smoother and will remain so for a while.

For other admins and users interested, this is a bit of information about the server

The previous configuration:

Hosting provider: serverspace.io

8 GB RAM

4 Core CPU

50 Mbps network

400 GB SSD

Cost: $55 / month

The 400 GB SSD was being used to store both the server's database and the image files, and this component in isolation had a monthly cost of $36. I have migrated the images to an object storage provider ($6/month for 500 GB), and used the resources previously used for disk space to increase the other parameters. The new configuration is a lot better and less expensive.

New configuration:

Hosting provider: serverspace.io

Object storage provider: contabo.com

16 GB RAM

6 core CPU

50 Mbps network

100 GB SSD

500 GB Object storage

Cost: $47/month

Thanks a lot to the lemmy and pict-rs devs for the hard work they put into developing the infrastructure!

Hello everyone!

About 2 weeks ago, kbin.social went down due to maintenance issues, but it seems like federation hasn't been restored on this instance.

Specifically, I am subscribed to https://kbin.social/m/greece which federates with lemmy.world, but on this instance posts since 2 weeks ago and later dont seem to be federating.

Could you please check it and maybe re-enable it in the future?

(I know that currently there's a migration happening and we'll soon(?) update to 0.19.4, so this issue I'm pointing may have to wait till all these finish first (or updating may fix it without any extra work)).

Thank you for maintaining this instance! :)

I am performing a migration that moves the images files from disk storage to object storage. During this migration the image back-end needs to be turned off, and so images will not be accessible.

It should still be possible to comment.

I am not sure how long this will take.

This is part of a few optimizations that I plan to do before I upgrade the instance to version 0.19.4.

EDIT: Update, June 17 06:08 UTC

The transfer is working, but, after 12 hours, only ~50 GB have been transferred to Contabo's object storage (rate of about 1.16 MB/s). This is a lot slower than I imagined, and, if this rate continues, it will take about 3 more days to transfer the remaining 300 GB.

I am not sure if this slow rate is to be expected for moving files to object storage, or if something is wrong. If any of you has experience with this I would appreciate some tips! I have also asked in the Matrix chat in case someone there can provide me some feedback as well.

EDIT: Update, June 18, 07:44 UTC

Migration is done!

272.16 GB of image data has been transferred to object storage. This took about 37 hours. This means that transfer occurred at a rate of 2 MB/s. From other admin's experience, this transfer was quite slow. I am making use of Contabo as my object storage provider, and I suspect that the speed of the transfer was limited on their end. Another admin reported that they used backblaze b2 as the object storage provider and they experienced much faster transfers. All of this should have no influence on how the site performs from the end-user's point of view, I am documenting this for other admins who learn from other's experiences by searching through lemmy.

Object storage is a much cheaper way to save files in the cloud. Before this, I have stored the image files into the same SSD disk where the instance lives (rented from serverspace.io). The cost of this disk space goes up as the disk space needs increase. At the current disk size of 400 GB renting that space was costing $36/month and increased $0.9/mo for every 10 GB.

Object storage is a specialized way of saving and serving files from the cloud. Object storage is much cheaper, at €6 for 500 GB (from Contabo), and so it is a much more scalable way of storing the instance's files. The only reason I did not do this earlier was because I was not sure about how to do it and kept pushing it back. But now, it's done! I would recommend other admins to do this as early as possible, as migrating many files is more of a hassle than migrating a few.

Istill need to do a few more tasks (moving the instance to a new server with a smaller disk, upgrading the postgres database to be compatible with 0.19.4, changing the pict-rs database format from sled to postgres, and then upgrading to 0.19.4). But first I will let the instance run for a few days with object storage to make sure nothing is breaking.

Thank you for your patience :D

I was curious if anyone knows anything about the large delay for content coming in from lemmy.world? There's a discussion over there in one of fediverse communities and apparently we're like a week behind in receiving data.

cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/14134903

Sorry if this seems like a silly question but I have noticed over the last few months my feed(?) has started to act odd.

No matter what I do I don't see any posts from .world. I checked and mander does not seem to block .world (kinda why I liked this instance) and even weirder is how my feed gets filled with mostly .ml posts with almost no activity no matter how I sort.

This did not happen before and got me thinking, I don't even know how this works across federated instances.

Does anyone know:

• How does the sorting work on an instance? Is it all the same no matter what instance it is?

• Did anything change in the last few months, that would cause all .world (and I assume others) posts to not show?

• Other then changing instances what can I do to mitigate the weird slanted results?

Hello everyone,

A few people had a conversation in [email protected] about finding a new place to host a !dataisbeautiful community (see the thread here: https://mander.xyz/post/13861536)

We were thinking about mander.xyz as the theme of data seems to fit with the topics of the instance.

Would you be okay with us opening that community here?

Hey, I’m having this issue only with Mander. I can’t reliably reproduce it, sometimes it’ll go days without issue. But then the insurance gets disconnected and I need to add the account again. Does not happen with my account on another instance. Anyone else experiencing the same? Any clues as to what is causing it?

I woke up and noticed that the server was down. I think that there were two different issues happening at once - one related to nginx, and the other related to a memory limit I recently set on a docker container. Issues are fixed now. Sorry!

Seems like new posts and comments aren't being federated to .world Comms. At least for me.

I am looking for academic and non-fiction authors and scicomm people who want to do some AMA-style events. The few I ran on Reddit were fun, and it makes an excellent opportunity for public outreach as people feel comfortable in an informal space, ECRs especially. These are great if you have a paper you want to rizz too. It's a good outreach thing; I always think 1:1 talking to people is the most successful and impactful. Shoot me a DM, we already have a few names in the hat.

EDIT:

The pictrs migration is still taking place in the background, and there might be some problems displaying new or some old images, as well as a bit slower site performance. But it seems like the site can run well now.

The lemmy backend makes use of pict-rs for hosting images. A new version (0.5.0) was recently released, and upgrading from the previous version involves a migration that is expected to take a few hours.

I am planning to run that migration either tomorrow evening or on Saturday. If all goes well, the instance will be down for only a few hours.

Just a heads up in case you stop by and see that the site is unavailable.

Hello all!

As of yesterday, I have updated the the instance to 0.19.2-rc.5. This should fix some of the remaining federation problem.

This morning it was brought to my attention through the Matrix chat that a feature has been added to the UI to allow admins to view votes: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2303

I would like to add a bit of context. Viewing votes has always been possible in at least two ways:

• Since votes are stored in the database, admins with access to the database have always been able to retrieve the list of voters by running a postgres database query.

• Some applications in the fediverse will display votes by default. For example, content federated with friendica displays the votes as "likes/dislikes", so any user can see federated votes.

What this feature has changed is that admins, regardless of whether they have access to the server, are able to see the list of up-votes/down-votes through the user interface.

This is effectively making a "hidden" admin feature more transparent. This can also help admins easily identify if bots are being used to mass down-vote.

I am bringing this up explicitly here because I think users might be interested in knowing if their votes can be seen, and so I want to be transparent about this change and about votes in general.

I also have some thoughts that I would like to discuss. If users are uncomfortable with admins having this power, I could remove this feature from this instance. But that would only be symbolic, as the votes can always be retrieved from the database anyway - and other instance admins will still have this feature to see federated votes.

I can also keep it this way. Only admins can see votes, and I can simply not abuse that power.

I can enable this feature for every user. Then everyone can see everyone's votes.

Another option is to disable down-votes altogether.

If anyone has any thoughts/opinions about this, please let me know. I'm curious and interested in finding a good way to handle this.

Hi all, just moved here from another instance and as I'm adding my subscriptions I've noticed that a couple of communities that I have subscribed to show as having no posts at all. But all the posts show when viewed from any other instance.

Here are the two I've noticed

[email protected]

[email protected]

Am I missing something, or has anyone got any ideas?

It seems like federation is not working completely since the update. I have made a couple of posts but I cannot see them elsewhere. Is this just me or is it the same for others?

After some arduous work from the developers and many other contributors, the newest version of lemmy has become available!

Many long-awaited features are now available - like blocking instances and exporting/importing an account.

You can head over to the original post to look at the long list of new features: https://mander.xyz/post/7346514

Thanks a lot to the developers for their hard work! If you would like to support Lemmy's development, please make sure to check out the developer's funding drive: https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-10-31_-_Join-Lemmy_Redesign_and_Funding_Drive

See https://mander.xyz/post/6913732. It seems to mirror all reddit users and posts, and we cannot reply or interact so that they see it, so I wouldn't like it spamming our all feed.

CSV of communities.

Name,URL,ID,Community,Index
Off The Shelf,https://mander.xyz/c/off_the_shelf,off_the_shelf,/c/off_the_shelf,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
nootropics,https://mander.xyz/c/nootropics,nootropics,/c/nootropics,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Science Memes,https://mander.xyz/c/science_memes,science_memes,/c/science_memes,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Science,https://mander.xyz/c/science,science,/c/science,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Astronomy,https://mander.xyz/c/astronomy,astronomy,/c/astronomy,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Medicine,https://mander.xyz/c/medicine,medicine,/c/medicine,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Archaeology,https://mander.xyz/c/archaeology,archaeology,/c/archaeology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Houseplants,https://mander.xyz/c/houseplants,houseplants,/c/houseplants,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Biodiversity,https://mander.xyz/c/biodiversity,biodiversity,/c/biodiversity,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
"Earth, Environment, and Geosciences",https://mander.xyz/c/earthscience,earthscience,/c/earthscience,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Mycology,https://mander.xyz/c/mycology,mycology,/c/mycology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Public Health,https://mander.xyz/c/publichealth,publichealth,/c/publichealth,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Geography,https://mander.xyz/c/geography,geography,/c/geography,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Academia,https://mander.xyz/c/academia,academia,/c/academia,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
robotics and AI,https://mander.xyz/c/robotics_and_ai,robotics_and_ai,/c/robotics_and_ai,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Physics,https://mander.xyz/c/physics,physics,/c/physics,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Science of Cooking,https://mander.xyz/c/cooking,cooking,/c/cooking,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Sociology,https://mander.xyz/c/sociology,sociology,/c/sociology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Palaeontology 🦖,https://mander.xyz/c/palaeontology,palaeontology,/c/palaeontology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
History,https://mander.xyz/c/history,history,/c/history,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Space & Astronomy,https://mander.xyz/c/space,space,/c/space,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Biology,https://mander.xyz/c/biology,biology,/c/biology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Science Communication,https://mander.xyz/c/scicomm,scicomm,/c/scicomm,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Philosophy,https://mander.xyz/c/philosophy,philosophy,/c/philosophy,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Anthropology,https://mander.xyz/c/anthropology,anthropology,/c/anthropology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Chemistry,https://mander.xyz/c/chemistry,chemistry,/c/chemistry,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
"Folklore, Myths, Legends, and Fairy Tales",https://mander.xyz/c/folklore,folklore,/c/folklore,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Biotechnology,https://mander.xyz/c/biotech,biotech,/c/biotech,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Native Plant Gardening,https://mander.xyz/c/nativeplantgardening,nativeplantgardening,/c/nativeplantgardening,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Geospatial,https://mander.xyz/c/geospatial,geospatial,/c/geospatial,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
The Deep Sea,https://mander.xyz/c/deepsea,deepsea,/c/deepsea,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Ecology,https://mander.xyz/c/ecology,ecology,/c/ecology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Palaeoecology,https://mander.xyz/c/palaeoecology,palaeoecology,/c/palaeoecology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
No Stupid Questions,https://mander.xyz/c/nostupidquestions,nostupidquestions,/c/nostupidquestions,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
test,https://mander.xyz/c/test,test,/c/test,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Entomology,https://mander.xyz/c/entomology,entomology,/c/entomology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Generative AI,https://mander.xyz/c/generative_ai,generative_ai,/c/generative_ai,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Longevity,https://mander.xyz/c/longevity,longevity,/c/longevity,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Mander,https://mander.xyz/c/mander,mander,/c/mander,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Animal behavior,https://mander.xyz/c/ethology,ethology,/c/ethology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Natural Process Art,https://mander.xyz/c/natural_process_art,natural_process_art,/c/natural_process_art,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Illegally Smol Birbs,https://mander.xyz/c/illegallysmolbirbs,illegallysmolbirbs,/c/illegallysmolbirbs,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Bees and Beekeeping,https://mander.xyz/c/beekeeping,beekeeping,/c/beekeeping,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Exercise and Sports Science,https://mander.xyz/c/sports_science,sports_science,/c/sports_science,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Microbiology,https://mander.xyz/c/microbiology,microbiology,/c/microbiology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
ADHD_College,https://mander.xyz/c/adhd_college,adhd_college,/c/adhd_college,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
New Communities,https://mander.xyz/c/new_communities,new_communities,/c/new_communities,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Semiconductors,https://mander.xyz/c/semiconductors,semiconductors,/c/semiconductors,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Ecospheres,https://mander.xyz/c/ecospheres,ecospheres,/c/ecospheres,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Historic(al) Map Porn,https://mander.xyz/c/old_maps,old_maps,/c/old_maps,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
PlantSwap,https://mander.xyz/c/plantswap,plantswap,/c/plantswap,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
A Boring Dystopia,https://mander.xyz/c/aboringdystopia,aboringdystopia,/c/aboringdystopia,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
biohacking,https://mander.xyz/c/biohacking,biohacking,/c/biohacking,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Botany,https://mander.xyz/c/botany,botany,/c/botany,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Spectroscopy,https://mander.xyz/c/spectroscopy,spectroscopy,/c/spectroscopy,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Reptiles and Amphibians,https://mander.xyz/c/herpetology,herpetology,/c/herpetology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Tropical Ornamental Plants,https://mander.xyz/c/tropical_plants,tropical_plants,/c/tropical_plants,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Biophysics,https://mander.xyz/c/biophysics,biophysics,/c/biophysics,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Nature Drawing,https://mander.xyz/c/nature_drawing,nature_drawing,/c/nature_drawing,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
GIF Base Alpha,https://mander.xyz/c/gif_base_alpha,gif_base_alpha,/c/gif_base_alpha,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
What's this Plant?,https://mander.xyz/c/plantid,plantid,/c/plantid,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Ceanothus,https://mander.xyz/c/ceanothus,ceanothus,/c/ceanothus,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Scuba Diving,https://mander.xyz/c/scuba,scuba,/c/scuba,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
wildfire,https://mander.xyz/c/wildfire,wildfire,/c/wildfire,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
What's this fungus?,https://mander.xyz/c/fungusid,fungusid,/c/fungusid,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Bryophytes,https://mander.xyz/c/mosses,mosses,/c/mosses,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Nudibranchs,https://mander.xyz/c/nudibranchs,nudibranchs,/c/nudibranchs,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Underwater Photography,https://mander.xyz/c/uwphotography,uwphotography,/c/uwphotography,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
monkeypox,https://mander.xyz/c/monkeypox,monkeypox,/c/monkeypox,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Space Engine,https://mander.xyz/c/space_engine,space_engine,/c/space_engine,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
GAN Art,https://mander.xyz/c/gan_art,gan_art,/c/gan_art,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Fractal Field Painting,https://mander.xyz/c/fractal_field_paint,fractal_field_paint,/c/fractal_field_paint,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Fermentation,https://mander.xyz/c/fermentation,fermentation,/c/fermentation,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Abiogenesis,https://mander.xyz/c/abiogenesis,abiogenesis,/c/abiogenesis,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Introductions,https://mander.xyz/c/main,main,/c/main,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Announcements,https://mander.xyz/c/announcements,announcements,/c/announcements,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Sneks,https://mander.xyz/c/sneks,sneks,/c/sneks,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
covid19,https://mander.xyz/c/covid19,covid19,/c/covid19,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Bayesian Theory,https://mander.xyz/c/bayes,bayes,/c/bayes,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Photosynthesis,https://mander.xyz/c/photosynthesis,photosynthesis,/c/photosynthesis,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Applied Psychology,https://mander.xyz/c/appliedpsychology,appliedpsychology,/c/appliedpsychology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Figs,https://mander.xyz/c/figs,figs,/c/figs,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Myrmecology,https://mander.xyz/c/myrmecology,myrmecology,/c/myrmecology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
North American Bird ID and Education,https://mander.xyz/c/nabirdidentification,nabirdidentification,/c/nabirdidentification,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Snake Identification and Education,https://mander.xyz/c/snakeidentification,snakeidentification,/c/snakeidentification,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Jarrariums,https://mander.xyz/c/jarrariums,jarrariums,/c/jarrariums,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Water Science and Technologies,https://mander.xyz/c/water,water,/c/water,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Quantum Computing,https://mander.xyz/c/qubits,qubits,/c/qubits,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Nuclear,https://mander.xyz/c/nuclear,nuclear,/c/nuclear,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Arachnology,https://mander.xyz/c/arachnology,arachnology,/c/arachnology,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Gardening,https://mander.xyz/c/gardening,gardening,/c/gardening,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Plants,https://mander.xyz/c/plants,plants,/c/plants,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Print for Good,https://mander.xyz/c/printforgood,printforgood,/c/printforgood,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Diseases,https://mander.xyz/c/diseases,diseases,/c/diseases,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Microscopy,https://mander.xyz/c/microscopy,microscopy,/c/microscopy,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Timelapse,https://mander.xyz/c/timelapse,timelapse,/c/timelapse,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Self sufficiency,https://mander.xyz/c/selfsufficiency,selfsufficiency,/c/selfsufficiency,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Terrariums,https://mander.xyz/c/terrariums,terrariums,/c/terrariums,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Answered,https://mander.xyz/c/answered,answered,/c/answered,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Ecosia,https://mander.xyz/c/ecosia,ecosia,/c/ecosia,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Nutrition,https://mander.xyz/c/nutrition,nutrition,/c/nutrition,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])
Isopods and Myriapods,https://mander.xyz/c/isopodmyriapod,isopodmyriapod,/c/isopodmyriapod,[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])

I've seen the occasional blip here, but this is the first time I've seen a complete outage of this instance. Hoping @Salamander wanders through and gives us the scoop?