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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago (7 children)

its just so crazy that this guy is a presidential candidate especially given his previous presidency. We really need a collection of verifiable trump facts as there are so many. He fondled woman vaginally, he blackmailed a foreign leader, hes been supportive of violent protest if its supportive of him. I mean this is just off the top of my head but I know there is so much more but ironically there is so much it makes it hard to remember it all.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We really need a collection of verifiable trump facts as there are so many.

This is pretty much worthless to anyone that is currently maga. There are no such things as facts that come from outside of their leaders mouth. A sycophant who defends him today, is a "secret liberal" tomorrow if he says something that goes against Trump. They won't believe anything they don't want to.

The only people that matter are those "on the fence" that are Republicans but don't want Trump. If they only stick to fox news though they'll never get these "facts." :(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean much of it did come out of his mouth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

True, for those instances "he was kidding, stop being dramatic." Or "he didn't actually mean that, he meant (whatever makes him not sound crazy)!" :(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

which is what is so crazy. its not even about if something is true now. its just, meh, I don't care.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The only facts these people believe are Alternative Facts^tm^

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

There are no such things as facts that come from outside of their leaders mouth.

Except when he says stuff that they don't like, in which case they say "oh, he didn't really mean it."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn't worry about convincing the magas or even non-maga Republicans. Non-voters are much bigger issue, but also a bigger potential for reasoning.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think the biggest issue with them is the apathy that keeps them from voting in the first place. I can't even convince my own mother or step father to vote at all because "they're all the same" as far as corruption goes... :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's still a good opening for you to choose any topic important to you or them to talk about.

"both are the same" is mostly used as an excuse for being ignorant. Simply speaking your opinion might be enough for them to show support for you, if they're supporting parents.

If my child came to me asking me to take a stance in the school board election, I most definitely would, because I don't give a shit about school board elections.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Facts are useless against trumpers. Satirize them. Laugh. Let them hear nothing but a chorus of laughter when they speak. They need to know how many people find them so absurd it borders on humor.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what we are dealing with in America. A piece of human waste represents a large portion of America. In fact they worship him.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

represents a large portion of America. In fact, they worship him

They literally want to install him as a dictator.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Some of them do. Most of them believe, despite his own statements to the contrary, that he'd never do such a thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah but then red hats make their own webpage showing every positive thing during trumps presidency and every negative thing during Biden’s and Obama. Factually verified, multiple sources.

Because their base doesn’t know that correlation isn’t causation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I downloaded the pdf. 360 pages taht only goes through 2021.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He has been shown in court to have raped a woman and it makes no difference to his voters. It's a brainwashing cult. Also, some of them have such twisted ideas of masculinity that they admire a man who rapes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I think changing fundamentally the way construction works in New York and the US in general to damage the working class is the one that pisses me off the most.