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even lemmynsfw defederated them, lol π€£ why?
they are are extremely obnoxious mix of tankies and some other leftists who might have been slightly less obnoxious if they were on their own, but being in the group with said tankies, you don't want them any more than the former
i apologize for grammar structure of my sentence and hope it makes some sense
if you have few days of time to kill you can check this thread where lemm.ee admin is asking lemm.ee users about their opinion on defederating them. they brigade the thread in such a way they make more than 77% of the 2k comments in the thread (not exaggerating - the thread has 1920 comments when viewed from lemm.ee and 425 when viewed from lemmy.world which blocks them) and explain their philosophy in the process. so you will understand stuff like "who absolutely needs to be murdered for the crime of having more money than you in order to make world more just place & other tankies' wisdom".
you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of "defederate. now." today π
It certainly wouldn't be brigading if the ratio of hexbear comments was proportional to its size. But I haven't seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example, and they saw the thread in their feeds just as much as you did.
Federation works by connecting various instances with different goals and different userbases. Those instances need a space to discuss those goals among themselves, where the admins can communicate with the users, etc. Some external engagement is to be expected, but one specific instance creating 3x more comments than all the others taken together (including the instance whose policy is supposed to be discussed) should, uh, raise an eyebrow.
Why would there be a large proportion of lemmy.world comments when the thread is literally about hexbear? You don't expect hexbear users to have stronger opinions on that than lemmy.world users?
Imagine you've got 100,000 people in a room. Let's say they're split between people wearing blue shirts, green shirts, and red shirts. But it's not an even split. Half of the people in the room are wearing red shirts. Someone in a blue shirt steps up onto the stage and says, "Open discussion everyone: I think red shirts are assholes and we should kick them all out of the room."
What exactly do you expect to happen next?
That's not what the thread in question was. We were invited to join the discussion. If we had not been welcome to join the discussion, we would have stayed out of it.
Regarding the analogy:
it's not one but multiple connected rooms
the room with people in red shirts has suddenly decided to connect with the rooms with the less numerous blue and green shirts
it's not "someone" in a blue shirt, it's a significant number of people in blue shirts who think the red ones should simply return to their own room that they were perfectly happy with until now
https://lemm.ee/post/4543536
Where exactly do you see the invitation? I see "I am very interested to hear thoughts and responses from our own users."
go back to reddit. this is the fediverse, the entire point is that these are not, in fact, "separate" rooms. being connected is the default. that's why it requires a giant discussion to kick anyone out.
It was posted publicly to all federated communities and absolutely no indication was made that the majority of people to whom the post was sent were unwelcome to participate.
On Hexbear, we have a rule that we have to leave meta discussions of other instances alone if they want us to. All the admin had to say was, "lem.ee users only" and we would've stayed out. If you refuse to take such a simple measure to restrict discussion to your own community, you do not actually want to restrict discussion to your own community.
And the admin didn't. You can go ask him. He was not trying to keep hexbear users out or in any way offended by the fact that we participated in the discussion. Why are you (a member of neither instance) offended on his behalf?
Don't hate us because we post like gods gift to the internet.
You just cant match the raw power of our posting skills and that makes you feel weak and pathetic. As it should.
Is that why you haven't stopped whining about us ever since
No better boner killer than people spamming mao's dong.
I normally hate the whole de-federation thing, but the radlib chapocels there are annoying af.
Radlib isn't one I've heard yet! Would you mind saying a little more about why you think hexbears are radlibs?
of course no response /:
Fucking same boring interactions over and over, and never any follow through!
They probably thought I was going to make fun of them if they elaborated
I wasn't though, I just wanted to see what they'd say!
You gave me like five hours to reply lmao.
Iβm not used to people who take 2 days to respond to forum posts they involve themselves in
Iβll wait patiently this time, sorry :)
Someone who claims to be a socialist, but who has a pathological obsession with identity politics and dividing the working class, and gives little regard to class consciousness or worker solidarity. Usually has an extreme hatred of patriotism despite patriotic socialism being the official ideology of the Soviet Union. Often defends lumpen behaviour to a bizarre extent.
Did I miss anything?
~~Wait, you think hexbear "gives little regard to class consciousness or worker solidarity"? You think we're only claiming to be socialist? You think we have a "pathological obsession with identity politics"? I would disagree about all of the above, honestly. I will grant you that I'm not a big fan of patriotism, because I live in the imperial core, and there is nothing good about america. Also, could you give me an example of what "lumpen behavior" you think we're defending?~~
I just realized, I have no desire to get in Yet Another Internet Argument. Please do not answer the above questions unless you really, really want to for some reason. Thanks for explaining your thinking, I very much disagree with you, but that's ok! This is a 2 day old thread at this point and I'm trying to be less of an argumentative butthole online, so I'll just say, I hope you have a great day!
Guess I overdid the hyperbole, it probably came across stronger than intended, sorry.
wen u no wat werds meen
Fuck off pronoun boy.
the tale of the boy without pronouns