this post was submitted on 24 Sep 2023
159 points (81.7% liked)

No Stupid Questions

35708 readers
1106 users here now

No such thing. Ask away!

!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.



Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.



Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.

If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.



Credits

Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!

The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Would they have all still fought against him?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 323 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Isaac Asimov, a very intelligent person, wrote a lengthy essay to the effect that he had no idea what intelligence was. He talked about how society would generally consider him more intelligent than the nearly illiterate man who repaired his car, and yet whenever something went wrong with his car he would go to his mechanic and listen to his advice as if it was being handed down from the mountaintop by Moses himself, because Isaac Asimov knew fuck all about car repair. He talked about how he thought that supposedly objective IQ tests were generally a series of gates designed by people already considered intelligent to keep themselves in power, and that they totally disregarded huge swaths of indispensable human knowledge and talent. Isaac Asimov, who has been published in literally every section of the Dewey Decimal System, concluded that he had no firm idea as to what exactly "intelligence" even was.

In short, how could one even define "the dumbest 50%"?

And that's why Thanos should have made everybody half as large as they once were.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He talked about how he thought that supposedly objective IQ tests were generally a series of gates designed by people already considered intelligent to keep themselves in power, and that they totally disregarded huge swaths of indispensable human knowledge and talent.

Modern psychology supports this, too. IQ tests are bullshit, and intelligence is not something that can be reasonably quantified in any meaningful sense without an insane amount of asterisks.

Also...are we counting kids? Because you'd probably find kids are consistently beneath the 50% line on any generic intelligence measuring criteria someone makes up.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, I took a few IQ tests and scored high and initially it made me wonder is if everyone else was as concerned as I was watching our species being driven into early graves for yearly profit projections.

Suffice to say, most people I met who scored high lacked the foresight to even think we might be screwed. Which led me to a swift conclusion that your IQ doesn’t mean jack squat, it was a biased system that was simply a biased form of dick measuring.

Perhaps I’m disillusioned, but the best summary of our species is that old video of a chimpanzee in a zoo pissing in its mouth.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many IQ tests, even ones that claim to be scientific, and especially free ones, artificially inflate the scores they give, to encourage the people taking them to purchase an in-depth analysis of their results.

Like, "Your IQ is 135! That's well above average! For $39.99, we'll give you this in-depth, 18 page question by question analysis showing how you stacked up against everyone else, and what your answers mean!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I’m not sure if it was like that, since it was almost 30 years ago. They might’ve still been using smoke signals lol

[–] Aussiemandeus 28 points 1 year ago

I love the entire story, then your very solid and succinct answer

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

The dumbest 50% is everyone but me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Ahhhh the GOAT. Seriously, as a smart kid everything else about me was ignored. Something wrong at school? You CAN do it, so just do it. D&D breaks up mental stats, but there's even more out there. Int, Wis, Cha to start. Then there's motivation, happiness, and empathy, and more. The mind is super complex and an int score of 18 being all that matters is like the saying "this hammer solves my nail problem, it will surely solve my window problem."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol dude is asking for scientific way to define "dumbness" in a world with infinity stones and flying people

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanos selected the 50% luckiest people. That's good for everyone!

Larry Niven enters the chat

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can't get past how weirdly horny Niven was... had to stop reading the second ringworld. That being said Asimov gets weirdly horny in the later foundation novels too. Both of them really liked writing in way older men dating way younger women that just comes off as creepy now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Try Frank Herbert.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Love the tag.

and good Asimov story thanks

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

So Thanos could eat them more easily?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really appreciate Asimov’s thoughts. Ethical hat off for a second - I would suggest removing the most destructive 50%. If someone is truly stupid they might just as well be harmless. However, removing the swathe of the population that engage in violence, greed, etc. would be a far better use of the finger snap than some metric of stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would characterise that as "ethical hat on".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It would be more ethical to give these things to the planet for free. They benefit the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Multiverse Thanos where he tries to wipe out the 50% most destructive, but snaps himself out of existence first because even by trying he made himself the most destructive person in the universe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Even with the classic definition of intelligence it's just useless - not predictive or indicative of anything.

A student without the skills to learn isn't going to learn much regardless of whether they're intelligent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good questions from Asimov. But just like with car repair, he didn’t know this subject. It has been a field of study for a while, and researchers have worked directly on this core problem defining general intelligence distinct from specific knowledge.

This Veritassium video is a balanced overview of the topic: https://youtu.be/FkKPsLxgpuY?si=iY7QBEQK1DkzNhxI

Needless to say, no, the IQ test is not a conspiracy by people who are good at number sequence problems to keep themselves in charge of the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you happen to know where Asimov published this opinion and what its title was?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Found it!

The essay is "Thinking About Thinking," ©1989, collected in the book Magic: The Final Fantasy Collection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Thank you very much! (Let’s hope this comment gets federated.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

And that's why Thanos should have made everybody half as large as they once were.

Holy cow. However intelligence is defined, you're smarter than I am. That would have been a really short film.

...and I'm just realizing that universe would look pretty much exactly like those little kid Marvel Adventures shows...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

sorry to stop the circlejerk, but this is dumb. an intelligent person could learn to repair the car more easily and have more insight than a moron. intelligence exists and we all experience it everyday. the wais-r is a relatively good test, but no there is never going to be a perfect way to measure intelligence. you can say intelligence is just what the test measures which is really pretty non biased, but that's reducing things too much. y'all know morons and people that are crazy fucking smart. experience in different subjects is distributed, but the ability to gain experience quickly is the biggest difference.