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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This conversation is obviously a waste of time given people are trying to explain what the West actually constitutes and you're claiming that means those people are racist.

But yes, racism is very much essential to the concept of the West.

croatia is a majority catholic slavic country

You sort of hit the nail on the head there.

This was the portrayal of Germany in WW1, drawing on the 'asiatic hordes' imagery (dating back to and before when Europe was getting wrecked by Eurasian people):

[+] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

essentialist definitions of the west based on racial categories

Yes this is how the West defines itself.

you can ask anyone in the latin america world, which is hundreds of millions of people, and they'll tell you they're western due to historic and cultural and religious ties.

I agree entirely.

why even bring up the germany ww1 portrayal thing are you trying to argue that germany wasn't western until after ww1?

The point is that "Western" is a changing category (for those outside the five eyes anyway) without any rigorously defined criteria. Russia is a good recent example.

your argument against that is because you can imagine some reactionary in america or europe who would disagree?

I don't need to imagine that, and they do disagree. And the reason why what a reactionary thinks matters is because they are unfortunately have a great deal of power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The point is that "Western" is a changing category (for those outside the five eyes anyway) without any rigorously defined criteria. Russia is a good recent example.

It's not a changing category. It's just Europe.

Within Europe, those borders can change. But nothing outside of Europeans (including European Americans) will ever be treated as "Western"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

you can ask anyone in the latin america world, which is hundreds of millions of people, and they'll tell you they're western due to historic and cultural and religious ties.

lmao

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