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ffs, William Spaniel already made a video about this. Ukraine is only targeting Russian oil because the US is withholding military aid. There's no incentive for Ukraine to weaken its war efforts and keep oil prices low, if the US isn't going to give Ukraine anything in return. You can't go around complaining about the economic impact of a WAR.
Isn't it the republicans withholding aid to Ukraine? So bombing refineries would drive up prices, making Biden unpopular, increasing the likelihood of Trump getting elected which would make more aid even more unlikely? Or am I missing something? 🤔
Not bombing them allows Russia to make money though, so it seems both choices are bad ones here.
That's a good point. I hadn't considered that incentive. It's possible that maybe Ukraine will hold off on oil attacks until after the election, then.
It's just hilarious that the US will bomb Nordstream and push Europe into crisis, whilst resisting any action that might raise their oil prices in the election year.
Just so one-sided it's incredible.
It's not yet proven that it was the US, no? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but I still don't know that's a fact.
Fact? It's a full fledged conspiracy theory, with zero actual proof supporting it.
You mean like all the other conspiracy theories about the USA?
That they secretly made a weapons deal with Iran to get money to support the Contras in Nicaragua for example. That they helped to kill democratically elected Allende and install the dictator Pinochet. That they staged a false flag operation to take over the Vietnam war from the French. That they helped take down democratically elected Mossadegh in Iran and install the Shah. That they produced false evidence as pretext to invade Irak. Two times. That they tried many times to assassinate Fidel Castro.
Sorry, but things happening in the world matching American interests makes me suppose they did it. I am convinced they did it. I am old, I can’t wait 30 years for the archives to open till I blame somebody.
They did it!
Most people suspect it was Ukraine, honestly. But there's a bunch of people who will try to blame America every chance they get.
I have yet to see an argument of how Ukraine has the capability to do it: The explosions are consistent with two depth charges being put squarely on top of the pipelines. Not just dropped, that would've been less accurate. Those things are huge and heavy you'd either need a team of divers and lots of time, or a submarine. The number of actors with capability to do it that way isn't exactly large, and Ukraine isn't really on it. Germany and Russia certainly is, US -- I doubt it. They're not good at all at sneaky submarines and nothing goes past the Danes or through the Kiel channel without being detected while a medium-sneaky Russian sub could've done it as it's already in the Baltic Sea, anyway.
Yeah thats a good point. It was mostly the newspapers here in Sweden saying that Ukraine was the top suspect. I believe they thought the charges were set with divers, no Submarine involved, but maybe there's been more analysis since then.
If Ukraine did it it definitely wasn’t without American support and advice.
The US government had nothing to gain by destroying that pipeline.
This is not to say that they did do the bombing, but the US had and has an economic interest in Europe buying US controlled oil and gas over buying Russian controlled oil and gas.
Yes that's true, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the claim that the US government destroyed Nord Stream to force the EU to buy LNG from US companies.
No, of course not, America would never force anybody to buy their stuff.
They destroyed NordStream to support Europe in becoming independent of cheap Russian gas.
That's just not true.
(I still don't think they did it, but I do think they cheered when it happened.)
https://www.lngindustry.com/liquid-natural-gas/10062022/us-lng-exports-to-europe-increased-during-the-first-4-months-of-2022/
And that was before Nord Stream...
What other evidence can you produce to verify your claim that the US government destroyed that pipeline?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/
But that’s what Hegemons do, that’s how hegemony works, everything for yourself. No matter at what costs, the others are going to pay the price. What I consider ironic, that all the American people (the not so rich part of it) gets out of that status is feeling good for being a superpower.
Which is exactly what the population of the Soviet Union was granted from their government. And they are supporting a war to regain that status.
I can’t wait to watch the American empire to go down.