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[–] [email protected] 102 points 4 months ago (58 children)

I'm struggling with everything on this article. On the one hand anytime a hostage has been freed, that's good news. On the other, at what cost. 40 000 dead. That's the easy stat. Amputations are also incredibly high. Most of them kids and performed without anesthetic. This is the first time the IDF has rescued hostages. So I'm sitting here with my initial feeling of 'oh, that's good news' ,and then I think about the wider picture and context, and it doesn't seem so good anymore.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (14 children)

And half a dozen months ago they could have had a ceasefire to have them released, along with the ones that STILL aren't released.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Nah, that was the one that Egypt fucked up. There had not been an actual agreed upon hostage transfer since the first one. Hamas also won’t give actual information on the hostages. This whole thing is just war crimes the whole way down.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 4 months ago (41 children)

It's curious they always highlight the

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

I'm glad more hostages are free, but for me it doesn't sit well the result... 200 people dead to save 4. At least the IDF are improving, luckily this time they didn't kill the hostages.

Who is organizing these rescue operations? Homelander?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But to the IDF the 200 people killed weren't people. So the math maths.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Hamas is already willing to agree to the US peace plan, so the only thing preventing the rest of the hostages making it to their homes is political will, and with much less risk.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Great news. Not sure if genocide of the Gaza population is necessary for that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It is not.

This article doesn't mention if anyone was killed in the raid, Hamas or civilians.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Israeli forces returned fire, including with airstrikes, he said. An Israeli special forces commander was killed during the operation, a police statement said.

Just casually bombing city areas jfc

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

[Israel rescues 4 hostages in raid Gaza officials say killed over 200 ] (https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-06-08-24?ref=upstract.com)

Edit: the number is now 274 Palestinians killed in this operation:

How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

they could have had all the hostages if they didn't reject the ceasefire proposal......

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

the death toll of the operation is up to 274 palestinians and 3 hostages now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They never really understood the Trolly Problem.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

And this time IDF didn't shoot them!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

... And massacred a bunch of Palestinians but they're not white so who cares amirite???

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Israeli security forces rescued four hostages during a daytime raid in central Gaza Saturday, including Noa Agramani, who became of the face of the hostages taken during the Oct. 7 attacks after harrowing video of her abduction was seen around the world.

The hostages have been transferred to an Israeli hospital near Tel Aviv, where authorities say they are in "good medical condition."

The rescued hostages are Argamani, 25, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, according to a statement issued by The Israel Defense Forces, Israel Securities Authority and the Israel Police.

They were among those kidnapped by Hamas during the Nova music festival on Oct. 7, and are now at the Sheba Tel-HaShomer Medical Center near Tel Aviv for further examination.


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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The Israeli military had US support in rescuing four captives from Gaza in a "complex daytime operation" in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians.

The Palestinian government media office in Gaza said the death toll from Israel's attack on central Gaza had reached at least 210, with 400 more wounded.

The Palestinian health ministry confirmed that a large number of dead and wounded Palestinian had arrived at Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital. It said that most of them were children and women.

"I came from the camp to here in the hospital on foot. I can't describe how we fled. I saw dead children and body parts strewn all over as we fled. No one was able to assist them. I saw an elderly man killed on a animal-drawn cart.

"Nuseirat was being annihilated. It was hell."

210 people killed 4 rescued. Mission accomplished everyone. Don't forget to thank Biden for his direct military involvement in this operation.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

50 civilians killed indiscriminately per 1 hostage freed. And that's not counting everyone that's already been killed in this war.

I think anyone with a shred of morality is heavily conflicted by this. Saving hostages? Great. Killing 50x as many people as those saved? Not great. Not great at all.

It naturally leads itself to the question we're all thinking -- was it worth it?

And I think many of us have the same answer, although we may not like it -- no. It pains me to say it, but it would've been better to let them stay hostage for longer while developing a plan which wouldn't kill civilians.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nice work IDF. Four alive hostages rescued is good news.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

210 Palestinians killed according to the news reports.

Edit: 274 Palestinians killed.

How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only in this particular operation. But the war had to get this far for them to conduct it. So the cost is exponentially higher.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

The big question on all of our minds -- was this worth it?

No. It probably wasn't.

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