Why do they give these lunatics a voice?
this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2024
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Because that is who they are.
The best way to beat candidates like this is to hear what they actually think and then use that against them.
A prime example of this working was when the then leader of the BNP, Nick Griffin, went on Question Time. Straight after that they ceased to be a political force and we've not heard from them since.
That did not work with trump in the U.S.
Gave the guy a platform and he ended up winning.
Because America is mental.
We Brexshat before America Trumped, you know.
That's not unique the the U.S.
"Give Nazis a megaphone" is not how you stop Nazis.
Just imagine what they are thinking but not saying out loud! 😱
”Thinking” is a pretty high bar for most Reform-ists, I doubt many of them engage in it.
It’s the ones that are thinking it but managing to not say it aloud that we really should worry about.
Motherfucker, you were neutral against Hitler up until you figured out that he wasn't just expanding east.
I mean....
At a dinner meeting of the Big Three on Nov. 29, Stalin proposed executing 50,000 to 100,000 German officers so that Germany could not plan another war. Roosevelt, believing Stalin was not serious, quipped that “maybe 49,000 would be enough.”
Churchill, however, was outraged and denounced “the cold-blooded execution of soldiers who fought for their country.” Before storming out of the room, he said that only war criminals should be put on trial. Stalin brought him back after saying that he was only joking.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/fdr-attends-tehran-conference-nov-28-1943-231852
Stalin said he was joking, but probably wasn't.
Given how WW2 started Stalin should have thrown himself into the mix.
How's that?
Roosevelt, believing Stalin was not serious, quipped that “maybe 49,000 would be enough.”
Gets me every time
Also worth noting that 50k represented a tiny fraction of the Nazi military -- there were well over a million people under arms right up until the end of the war. So Stalin and Roosevelt were already talking about officers and units that did the worst atrocities, not some mass retribution against the bulk of the military itself.
Interested in what your "moral of the story" is?
Brits fucking suck
Why? Are we forgetting that Britain spent 6 years fighting the Nazis?
Nobody should have remained neutral toward Hitler.
Locks eyes with Switzerland
And Ireland.
Don't forget Sweden.
Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".
Crikey. Farage’s new crop are making the likes of Godfrey Bloom look tame.
That video shows just how mundane and boring it is for politicians to kill swathes of people.
This is genuinely one of the reasons I have no interest in a career in politics, and the reason I cut a fair bit of slack to politicians: even outside of actual wars you have to make decisions which will likely kill people either way. It's such an insane burden to have to carry.
Who happens to just know Hitler Youth songs? Ordinary people couldn't even give you the title of one let alone sing it for you without a lyric sheet
But this can't be! People on here have asserted that Reform is not a far-right party.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In posts from 2022 on the Unherd magazine website, seen by the BBC, he said Winston Churchill was "abysmal" and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.A Reform spokesman said the comments were not "endorsements" but "written with an eye to inconvenient perspectives and truths", while his remarks about women were "tongue in cheek".
"The same month he wrote: "In Britain specifically we need to exorcise the cult of Churchill and recognize that in both policy and military strategy, he was abysmal.
"The previous month he criticised women, writing on the site’s message board: "Do you think you could actually work and pay for it all too like good citizens?
In the run up to the invasion of Ukraine, he praised President Putin, writing in January 2022 that he had "shown a maturity of which we can only dream of".He "understands the bonds that create more stable societies; the hypocrisy of the West is preposterous as we stare in the face daily the enormous economic equalities created by our deluded neo liberal ideas", he wrote.In February, Mr Gribbin wrote "if only the West had politicians of his class".
A Reform UK spokesman said: "Through offence archaeology the BBC has found that Mr Gribbin has made a series of comments about a number of subjects.
"His historical perspective of what the UK could have done in the 30s was shared by the vast majority of the British establishment including the BBC of its day, and is probably true.
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The man seems to be almost there with his ideas of "Churchill left a lot to be desired" and "neoliberalism has failed us", but then manages to faceplant into the Earth's mantle on the very next step.
Wow after all the lying and disinformation spreading the Tories have been doing (even compared to usual) I was really starting to think that Reform were the more reasonable and mature right wing party but I guess there are none... There's a huge gap in the market and it made sense for someone to fill it but I guess we'll have to wait for someone else
I apologise for these old comments and withdraw them unreservedly and the upset that they have caused.
A Reform UK spokesman initially said: "Through offence archaeology the BBC has found that Mr Gribbin has made a series of comments about a number of subjects.
They keep making this sound like something that happened a long time ago but he wrote all this stuff in 2022! Next they'll tell us he was a younger man and it was actually socially acceptable in those days to be neutral on Hitler.