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Applicants for German citizenship will be required to explicitly affirm Israel's right to exist under a new citizenship law which came into effect on Tuesday.

The new law shortened the number of years that a person must have lived in Germany in order to obtain a passport, from eight to five years. It will also allow first-generation migrants to be dual citizens.

As part of the shake-up, new questions were added to the country's citizenship test, including about Judaism and Israel's right to exist.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Considering the German government will do basically anything to get away from even the slightest hint of antisemitism, I can see exactly why they're doing this.

But it's comical for Germany to be bending over backwards to avoid repeating it's genocidal past whilst turning a complete blind eye to an actual ongoing genocide.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

It’s tragically comical.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

...and at the same time supporting racist and anti-migrant narratives to "fight" the fascist AfD. Which, obviously, just strengthens that narrative and hence the AfD.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What kinda fascist, authoritarian bullshit is this? I'm seriously considering giving up my German citizenship (I also hold citizenship in another EU country that recognizes Palestine) because of this. Although I would regularly have to go to the consulate for administrative tasks like renewing my ID, it would be worth it.

Edit: I am a firm supporter of a two-state solution, but one of the two states is not interested in that whatsoever. It is the exact state that is ruled by an antidemocratic, fascist, ethno-supremacist government, which is constantly murdering innocent civilians. Israel has a right to the 1947 territory set by the UN. But not a single square centimeter more than that.

So by definition, no, I don't recognize the current form of the Israeli state, which claims the entire Palestinian territory.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The question doesn't ask if you support the current state of Israel though.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If only they did the same with Palestine... That would be even better! Of course, many countries (Germany included) are yet to recognize that country because of reasons (fear included, specially Germany!)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Well, this is not creepy or fashy at all

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To be honest, countries don't have right to exists countries don't have rights. Rights are inneherently for humans. It's a stupid notion, countries are established by violence and their borders are enforced through violence, it means that Israel or any country has the right to use violence against those whom they judge to threaten their existence. And that includes the population of said country, if the people of country A decides one day to become country B, they can't because country A has a right to exist but not the none-existing country B.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

And that seems to be the crux of this whole mess. We conflate Jews the ethnicity, Jews the religion, Israelis, the Israel state and the Israeli government, and you either accept that the whole package is totally just, or you're an antisemit...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

The majority of European antisémites have zero problem with the existence of Israel "out there". They are more than happy to see the Jews leave Europe for the middle east. American antisémites are fantasizing that Israel will be the site of the Second Coming of Christ who will then turn all the Jews into Christians.

This observation alone should tell you everything about why it is stupid and wrong to use attitudes towards Israel as proxy measures for attitudes towards Jews. When the antisémites pass your metric with flying colours whereas Jewish anti-Zionists fail it, your metric is just shit, simple as that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The intention is good I suppose, but it seems unfair to those who don't believe that nation-states in general have rights that should require our affirmation, even while they have many powers we must respect. Are they also made to affirm the right of Germany to exist? They've made a rule which denies would-be citizens the right to espouse anarchism, which seems like a step in the direction of removing human rights.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

As anarchists refuse the legitimacy of the state in general, they will have no problem to just fake it 😎

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (12 children)

All good ideas but what does that actually change? It's just a signature on a paper.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know what gives a nation a right to exist? Motherfucking steel.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

The zionists felt threatened again

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

German clowns

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