Crazy how the choice is between "everything the same with mild change (maybe)" and "everything horrible with the world".
this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2024
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The choice is between having an opportunity to make a difference and being actively prevented from doing so.
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It's the middle class who won't be.
It's the working poor who won't be.
Why'd she say "working class" twice?
Because they didn't want to say lower class, so they say working poor. The middle class has been gutted and demolished
The idea I was alluding to is that the distinction between "lower class" and "middle class" has always been fictional. It exists only to drive a wedge between working-class folks, for the benefit of the owner class.
But if she didn't specify middle class, those who think of themselves as middle class would think they were going to be okay.
Middle class then: Wealthy people who didn't hold noble titles
Middle class now: I'm embarrassed to call myself working class
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She forgot pre-existing conditions. Remember, ACA is the only thing that keeps those covered. Diabetes diagnosed now? Your cancer comes back? You have an auto immune disorder like MS?
She forgot social security. Even without Project 2025 Trump had repeatedly said he wants it gone. All that FICA tax paid never to be seen again. Also, can your parents live without it? Or will they have to move in with you now? Or are you still living with them and you both lose your roof?
bigger thing is no surprise billing came directly out of bidens administration. that and the non compete thing are big for me.
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This is what I think every time I see someone on here haughtily saying that the Democrats need to EARN their vote. The Democrat politicians are wealthy and will be just fine if they're voted out of office - it's you and everyone else who isn't wealthy that will be fucked over.
In other words, protest votes are an expression of privilege.
Absolutely.
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I’m going to vote but damn can we at least acknowledge how depressing it is to be stuck in this position to begin with? If 2016 wasn’t a wake up call I really don’t know how we can snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity.
how we can snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity.
You can't "snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity" because "corporate controlled mediocrity" is the point.
What? You actually thought they "represented" you?
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We literally cannot. We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
When Trump wins we need to kill the Democratic party entirely and start something new, but I have no idea how to get the money for that... The ultra wealthy that support Democrats aren't going to help, they know the Democrats protect them...
All I know is there is no future for the Democratic party, or at least there really shouldn't be...
We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
I'm still just thrown back to the 1968 convention, also in Chicago, when Dem voters made a bunch of noise and the Dem establishment dropped a giant police hammer on their heads.
This seems to be the political response to every outcry among Dem base voters. The conservative leaders are more gleeful when they unleash armies of police on your Gold Star Moms or your Palestinian protesters. But the liberal leaders are just as quick to put tanks in the streets and send SWAT in to start clubbing heads and filling prisons whenever your OWS types start getting out of line.
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you should vote for Biden if you hate him, that way he dies while still working instead of enjoying his last years golfing and sun bathing under secret service protection
All those things are what i am voting to keep from happening. The name means squat to me. Its just a placeholder to keep thr fat orange fuck from usurping the place
If the Democrats ran Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man I'd rather vote for him than Trump.
That would be hilarious to see in a debate. Just let the felon run his mouth and wave implacably with a smile.
Except all those people will also be fine if Kamala Harris wins the presidency. And they won't be if Biden loses it.
yes, but everyone is worried too many idiots won't vote for her. it's risky. those idiots have stupid reasons like "because she's a woman" and they suck, but you can't ignore them this time.
I think the best thing they can do is commit to one candidate. Doesn't matter who. It could be a pig wearing lipstick. But they gotta commit. No changing their minds at the last minute. Sanders endorsed Biden. AOC endorsed Biden. They should run Biden.
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This election is a choice between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Between someone who is indifferent and someone who has literally promised to make your lives SO MUCH worse in every possible way.
You had your adorable little protest non-vote in 2016, with your "Hillary Clinton just doesn't 'do it' for me" and the result was Donald farking Trump. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You had your adorable little protest non-vote in 2016, with your “Hillary Clinton just doesn’t ‘do it’ for me” and the result was Donald farking Trump.
Here is my problem with this mindset. I didn't have "my adorable little protest non-vote". I was energized and hopeful for Bernie's campaign, but the Dem's and their moderate voter base had their adorable little "Bernie couldn't possibly win enough votes because Socialism, so you have to vote for our candidate that no one is excited about" push, so I sucked it up and voted for Hillary. And the result was Donald farking Trump. Because moderate Dem's would rather have Trump than meet Progressives even half way in the middle.
And now here we are, with another run of a candidate that fails to inspire passion amongst his voter base, going against Donald Farking Trump. And once again, I'm being told that I need to vote for the Dem candidate that I mostly just disagree with less than Donald Farking Trump.
So when does it stop being the fault of progressives who get disillusioned with the status quo? When does the fault start to lay with the Dem's and the moderate voters for preferring a Trump presidency over trying to meet the Progressive voting bloc halfway?
I'll vote for Biden (again), and I absolutely recommend that everyone do so just to do damage mitigation, but I'm getting so tired of the blame game moderates try and run just to deflect legitimate criticisms of their lackluster candidates.
Edit: To any on the left that are feeling really jilted by comment's like NutWrench's, please try and ignore the bullshit blame Dem's try to fling our way and remember that the key to long term success is solidarity, including with those who would blame and ridicule us. We need to play the hands we are dealt the best we can, and Biden is currently our "strongest" hand.
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Then how about he just fucking retires instead of virtually guaranteeing a Trump win. We had this same shit in 2016 because "it's her turn" and the polls during the primary said she wasn't going to win against Trump, too.
God save us from politician's egos.
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Literally voting for a wet paper bag would be better for those groups than not voting or voting for Trump.
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