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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

― Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Actually we just won an election

Ok that's just an outright fucking lie.

The Bolsheviks didn't start "winning" elections until they'd already forced everyone into supporting them, the 1917 election featured the Bolsheviks being blown out of the goddamned water by the SRs, and getting tailed pretty hard by the Ukrainian Regional Socialist Party

All this comic does is bend history into absolute knots to try and sell an image of what a democratic revolution would look like, but the tone and telling it represents is blatantly revisionist to a fucking maddening degree.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (7 children)

What are you talking about?

This strip is not even about the actual Bolsheviks.
Everything the "Bolsheviks" say is boilerplate stuff a modern democrat (or any reasonable person for that matter) would want.

The whole joke is that the republicans frame super normal stuff as communism.

Did you really not get that?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"All this comic does is bend history into absolute knots to try and sell an image of what a democratic revolution would look like, but the tone and telling it represents is blatantly revisionist to a fucking maddening degree."

I'd say that's what they're talking about.

And I agree with them, imo this comic is absolutely not working for getting the intended message across.

Edit for clarification: i realized during first reading that the devil's advocate in the comic was meant to represent USA republicans, but I still think that the comic doesn't work.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

not about the 1917 revolution. kinda like how MASH wasn't about the korean war.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (6 children)

This thread has been a lesson in how many ways people can find to miss the joke. The cartoon isn't that subtle, surely?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

I really thought the joke was obvious. Apparently not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if you aren't familiar with US politics? Even then, the last panel should clue you in.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I mean I get it, but it still feels very disrespectful towards all the eastern europeans killed by bolshevism

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In my opinion that is the second layer to this comic. Bolsheviks were pretty autocratic and tyrannical, so comparing their deeds towards left leaning politics today is disrespectful to the real victims.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

yeah, I know, I get it. Consciously, I absolutely get it. But subconsciously...

It still somehow strikes the wrong tone in my opinion. I don't know how one could do it better, I just know that it irks me the wrong way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

You're not saving anyone, and victims of bolshevism are not victims of this comic. Please stop making problems up.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My take for the comic is that voting for those "communists" will not change anything, and capitalism will still eat us alive.

There has to be some option that is not Bolshevik dictatorship or capitalism with some virtue signaling dressing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

There has to be some option that is not Bolshevik dictatorship or capitalism with some virtue signaling dressing.

Knocks on your front door Hello, do you have a few minutes to talk about Anarcho-Communism?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

THE VERY DEFINITION OF COMMUNISM

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The metaphor is a bit weird. It's almost as if they're dogwhistling about the horrors of the actual Russian revolution and system.

But I guess what they're actually trying to say is that calling democrats communists is just stupid and wrong. Which yeah, it totally is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

I'm having nightmares every day about the poor billionaires having to pay something slightly more close to their fair share in taxes! When will this horror end?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, the bolsheviks would just have shot them. The whole family. Yes, kids too. Probably they would have raped them before and/or after. Then set the house on fire.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Presumably the joke is that the propaganda was written by the billionaires to make you scared enough to vote for them. But since they were writing propaganda anyway, might as well try to convince everyone they are handsome at the same time!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Damn, this post is like a zoo for people not understanding irony and sarcasm

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The number of people trying to explain that the Bolsheviks weren't actually like that depress me. Why are they in a political memes community if they don't know that Trump and Musk are accusing Democrats of being communists based on their pretty milquetoast policies?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The number of people trying to explain that the Bolsheviks weren’t actually like that depress me.

I suspect that most Americans don't really know who the Bolsheviks were, and only have some vague idea of what Communism is. Even on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

And that USSR never got to Communism, it was a socialist state with plan economy, that promised people that "one day we'll be able to move away from this imperfect system to some real cool utopian stuff, we just have to work hard for 20 more years". And it was 20 more years each year until USSR fell apart. So, nobody ever lived in a true communist state.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think if it had been placed in America it would have been better received. People don't expect to have a serious conversation about critical reading skills in a meme community. They're used to one liners and moving on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But placing it in America ruins the joke. The whole point is that it was absolutely nothing like that.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You won't be able to save people who are unable to draw parallels between a hypothetical and a real situation, even when they are given a dozen hints.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Nah, I got it. I just wanted to double dip with the “Trump ugly” jokes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think that's how it went

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's a pretty big reach for most people though. To realize that the depiction is of what Trump says is communism and not actually Russian communism. Most people are going to regard this as communist propaganda attempting to cover for Stalin. (They won't even know Lenin was in charge in 1917) And they will disregard it completely.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

They explain the joke in the last panel.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a meme aimed to ridicule the rhetoric of the U.S. Republican party aimed at portraying Democrats as communists, which is still a swear word in America.

Like, "imagine if actual communists (represented by Bolsheviks in the meme) were that mild".

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