... Who is going to be fronting all those video hosting storage costs??
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2024
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Dan has mentioned some time ago that he was thinking about making the videos delete themselves after some time, but I'm not sure if he ever followed up with that.
Well peertube is struggling already so thats a valid question. Idk if they using peertube style bitorrent video delivery that might help offload the cost a little.
IMO a very small amount of storage should be free but after that the user needs to pay. It's the right thing to do for hosts and for the environment. If content creators need massive amounts of video then that will incentivize them to make money on it.
The only people left out are small, niche channels that have quality or important content but don't make much money. Maybe they could be cut special deals by the hosts / donors.
Creator coops like nebula are absolutely where things need to end up on the higher usage end.
...And which big creator would choose to PAY instead of getting paid for uploading their videos (like it is, as of now)? I doubt this model would work at all, I don't think anyone would want to join like that. Sure enough, youtube/tiktok/insta/whatever takes a chunk of the profits too, but at least content creators there can start from scratch and don't have to invest in hosting first.
Big creators make a ton of money from their videos. I'm fine with the Fediverse adding ads, or creators doing sponsorships. We need a separation of concerns. Fediverse is removing centralized corporate control.
We need a way to get good content creators money on the Fediverse.
I don't know what to make of this. Regular tiktok just is sooooo offputting to me. The 50x overlays. The voiceovers which are the basis of the content, with the video that has NOTHING to do with the content. The chinese spying. It's all just very bad.
But then I remember a federated version would be.......different. I can't imagine it would be like tiktok with text overlays. I can't imagine the content would be similar either. It'll be like "here's the better way to sudo your linux....."
Which, as someone who doesn't care about linux, I'd find it less offensive, but still wouldn't care about it.
All in all, I'm not excited for it.
My Tiktok feed is legal analysis of court cases, magic the gathering card reviews, and Marvel deep dives. You get fed what you watch.
Just report that voiceover shit.
Yes, TikTok has now 10 minutes long videos. The feed is based on what you interact with. There is quality content there.
It's a bit hard to imagine the fediverse crowd being huge on a tiktok-like platform. I think it's an important development, even just as a proof of concept, but it would have to attract an audience from a whole different target audience, and one that might have less patience for technical hiccups.
I think video content is also fundamentally more asymmetrical - from a few influencers to a large number of consumers. Which is probably what the fediverse is heading towards as well, but it's not what it does best at the moment.
I don't think I'm the target audience of this, and I'm not sure it'll be a success. But I think it's a very interesting and important development anyway.
“The Chinese spying” - As opposed to the American spying?
I'm very intrigued, Dan Sup is one of the most interesting people working in the fediverse these days, and I'm very curious about anything he puts forward.
I'm not very interested in a TikTok Clone. I wished he worked on sup instead, his idea for a federated chat.
I'm actually interested to see how this does so I've been following it.
As someone who enjoyed the brief comet that was Vine but despises TikTok, this feels like a throw back to that.
Of course, I'd be delusional if I said that wasn't hopeful thinking.
You can also follow it yourself at loops.video
I don’t think it’s gonna be here in a week. They are still accepting people for the beta.
Hard pass.
Do we know in what language it's built on?
Probably PHP. Pixelfed was also built with PHP.
Ugh
It's just... Part of TikTok is attention-seeking.
It's kinda the entire point for a lot of the users and uploaders, that and getting paid to continue the cycle of creating more content.
If you're expecting us, as-in, the federated populace on Lemmy and Mastodon to use it, I dunno, man. Sharing personal content is a very rare use case here. We usually stick to news and memes.
Then again, communities that are rather reliant on a performance like fishing, sports, guitar, drums, and skill toys like yoyos might get a use out of having a safe public place to upload themselves without outside influence.
A lot of content on Tiktok is about presenting content rather the person. It can be similar to Youtube, but more accessible for beginners content creators now that a lot of Youtubers have a professional setup, and barrier to entry is much higher.
Not a fan
So what. The the eff is loops?
It's like tiktok but federated
I'm very excited
Reddit hated TicToc and Lemmy hates Loops...
Nobody really said that. Loops is federated open source software so I doubt anyone will hate it.
I mean I know it was a hyperbole. There are negative comments in the thread, though. They mostly don't like it for it's short video form and algorithm I think.
So tiktok for the fediverse...
Listen, I'm all for open sourcing stuff and I'm all for the fediverse and all. I just don't understand why one would want a fediverse tiktok.
- Short form content is addictive af and doesn't add anything of substance to society.
- Video hosting is expensive. Peertube is already struggling. How do you expect to financially sustain video hosting that is addictive to the user (which means more consumption) without running ads? Paywalling it won't be an option due to the network effect as well.
I have hundreds of short form videos which are designed to uplift, encourage, and speak positively about mental health issues. I’ve had lots of people tell me that my videos in some small way encourage them to take the next step in their mental health.
In other words, it’s not the form of the video that matters, it’s the content.
As for the cost of the server, I think the videos will expire after a certain amount of time. Something like Snapchat.
The great thing about the Fediverse is that it offers options. Is this going to be exactly like TikTok? Of course not. Will it serve a purpose for some? Time will tell.
I have hundreds of short form videos which are designed to uplift, encourage, and speak positively about mental health issues.
Could you please drop a link to them? If what u'r saying is true, well I kinda need em at this point in time :(
Here’s a playlist. There used to be more but when I moved instances I had to run them back for storage space. https://davbot.media/w/p/uyr57kXBK9WQBZYdoVYHJ4
Awh they're so wholesome and positive. Thanks for sharing these :)
Thanks. Feel free to share them with your friends.
For sure! <3
Glad to see you like them
Tiktok and the sludge of normal social media is the prime suspect here, not types of freaking videos.
As for hosting, that's gonna have to be built/devised long-term. Nothing to do but get to it!