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Republicans on the House Small Business Committee pressed Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm on Thursday for answers on proposed energy-efficiency standards for ceiling fans.

The proposed standards were first published in the Federal Register in June, and the comment period closed earlier this week. According to the Energy Department, the rule as applied to standard residential ceiling fans would cut fan-related electricity costs by about 40 percent relative to the least efficient fans currently available.

The House panel presented the rules as burdensome to ceiling fan manufacturers, particularly smaller ones.

“This proposed rule would decrease the maximum estimated energy consumption permissible for large diameter and belt driven ceiling fans,” committee Republicans wrote. “This rule would require numerous small business fan manufacturers to redesign their products and may put between 10 and 30 percent of small business ceiling fan manufacturers out of business. It appears that the Department of Energy may not have properly considered small entities during this rulemaking process.”

An Energy Department spokesperson told The Hill this aspect has been mischaracterized, saying in an email that the one-time total conversion cost would be about $107 million for all manufacturers.

“The incremental cost to consumers is $86.6 million annually, while the operating cost savings are $281 million annually — both at a 7 percent discount rate,” the spokesperson said. “The savings are more than triple the incremental costs.”

The spokesperson noted the standards, “which are required by Congress,” would not be in effect for five years and would save Americans “up to $369 million per year, while substantially reducing harmful air pollution — a crucial fact that some have conveniently failed to mention.”

Efficiency standards for home appliances have become culture war flashpoints under the Biden administration. The administration has restored a number of efficiency rules rolled back under the Trump administration, including for shower heads, water heaters and gas furnaces.

The most umbrage, however, has been reserved for efficiency regulations over gas stoves, beginning last year when Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. approved a request for information on hazards associated with the devices, which the CPSC formalized in March. Although Trumka has said there are no plans to ban gas stoves, House Republicans have introduced formal legislation this year to legally prevent such a ban.

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Now they’re triggered by ceiling fans. You can’t make this shit up

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago

Republicans have absolutely destroyed the satire industry.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

"hahaha, fan beats man!"

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The new standard is based on cubic feet of air moved per minute per watt. It's honestly pretty thoughtful in its implementation. I was expecting to see it was just some watt cap on products, but that's not what it is at all; you can still make very powerful fans, they just need to actually be moving meaningful amounts of air.

The main people hurt by a rule change like this will be import brand piece of shit fans that don't blow air and prey on vulnerable consumers. I doubt there is even one single US firm that will be negatively affected by this rule change because the cost of US manufacturing is WAY too high to be selling these dollar store fan products.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2023-06/ceiling-fans-ecs-nopr.pdf

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would like them to be required to prominently display their power consumption. I feel like every other household appliance I own makes their energy consumption fairly clear, but I have no idea what kind of energy my fans use. Like it's probably more efficient to turn on every fan in my house all day rather than turn on my AC, but I have no idea if that's true.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can confirm, was shopping for ceiling fans and finding the cfm per power on different power levels was a pain in the arse.

Should be part of Energy Star like other appliances.

As it was I had to search for DC and/or ECM motor fans and go from there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much power does one use? Asking for a friend.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Here's one I just installed (DC motor)

https://sofucorfan.com/products/sofucor-flush-mount-ceiling-fan-with-noiseless-reversible-motor-wood-52-inch

36W on full power with the light on. Almost nothing and whisper quiet.

AC fans tend to consume more power and are noisier, around ~75W for a similarly speced fan.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a good way to make sure fan manufacturers aren't putting misleading labels on their fans. Like "Powerful 800W FAN" on the front in big letters but a low CFM rating on a label on the back, if at all.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Crocodile tears. Republicans don’t care about small businesses. This is just a “Democrats want this? Gotta fight it!” moment, because they have no actual platform.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They’re contrarians. They don’t stand for anything except the opposite of the Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s the most baffling thing to me when I see so many grown ass adults buying into these cults of personality. Like…what the fuck does your candidate propose to actually do? Just screaming and throwing tantrums like a toddler, and that’s the guy you cast your vote for? I don’t get it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Their campaigns are always based on fear and hate of some imagined group or perceived enemy.a lot of these people have also been trained by birth by religious groups to conform to the tribe and to have blind obedience to their leaders.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They’ll clutch at anything they think they might be able to use to piss off their constituents, won’t they?

“They’re coming for you gas stoves, citizen! Where will it end? What will you cook food for your family on?! Pic up a ‘don’t step on the gas’ ballcap for only $49.99, and go get ‘em!”

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember people hording incandescent light bulbs when those were restricted?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At this point I can't even fathom wanting an incandescent bulb.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember when some of the first LED bulbs hit the market, I replaced every bulb in my room (still living at home at my parents' house) and never looked back.

Back then it cost like $20 a bulb, didn't care.

The lights in my ceiling fan had a tendency to burn out frequently, never could identify a reason why after plenty of troubleshooting, but it incandescent bulbs did not like that fan.

Pretty sure those same bulbs are still in there like 15 years later.

Also my room was always the hottest in the house, and I was willing to try anything to shave off a couple of degrees. I never stuck a thermometer in there to measure it, so it could have been a placebo effect, but it certainly seemed like it maybe knocked a degree or two off the temperature to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

LED bulbs were crap for the first couple years they were available. They were expensive and failed a lot. They're much, much better today.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Lmao my da said they were coming for my gas water heater and he was right gobsmacked when I said "good"

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is this actually a concern? Having legislation rolled out to force new and better technology to reach the market, thus causing systemic savings of energy and money?

The way it's written it's as if the consumer is forced to go get a new ceiling fan or gas stove the moment the new ones land in the market.

And if some small manufacturers go bust, that means room for others to appear.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

It’s either this or they actually work on actual policy

So yeah, this is a concern for those fascists

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

It's always supposedly about protecting the little guy, the small business person. While also, just coincidentally mind you, also protecting mega corporations that bankroll the GOP.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Funny how Conservatives get so upset about conserving resources.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The roster of Republicans who signed the letter:

The House committee’s letter was signed by Chairman Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas), as well as Reps. Beth Van Duyne (R-Texas), Maria Elvira Salazar (R-Fla.), Aaron Bean (R-Fla.) and Jake Ellzey (R-Texas).

FL & TX ffs.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile ERCOT is asking people in Texas to conserve power damn near daily at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans don’t care if you can’t use your fans, they only care that you keep buying them.

We are only consumers to feed corporate profits in their equations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They're all made in China/Philippines. Even the US brands like Vornado and Dyson.

Republicans want to export dollars to East Asia.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Maria Elvira Salazar

Mfing Harry Potter villain name how could anyone expect any different?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

So I guess the shit has hit the fan?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Gods but I hate those stupid bastards.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Hmm. In terms of policy priorities, it probably makes more sense to push for more installation and usage of ceiling fans. Ceiling fan efficiency is a decidedly secondary issue; even the most inefficient ceiling fan uses a tiny fraction of the energy needed by air conditioning.

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