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Arnold Schwarzenegger endorses Kamala Harris: ‘I will always be an American before I am a Republican’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Cross-posted from "Arnold Schwarzenegger endorses Kamala Harris: ‘I will always be an American before I am a Republican’" by @[email protected] in [email protected]

“I will always be an American before I am a Republican,” he wrote. “That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognise our country. And you are right to be furious.”

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[–] [email protected] 217 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Let me be honest with you: I don’t like either party right now. My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market, driven up deficits, and rejected election results. Democrats aren’t any better at dealing with deficits, and I worry about their local policies hurting our cities with increased crime.

Spoken like a true republican.

Democratic administrations are better with the economy than republican administrations in virtually every case for the last 75 years. Plus, don't forget that Clinton not only balanced the budget during his term, he left office with a projected budget surplus that Gee Dubya threw away with his tax cuts for the rich and unfunded wars.

As for crime, crime rates have been steadily dropping for decades and continued to drop under the Biden administration. In fact, violent crime rates are near a 50-year low!

[–] [email protected] 128 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Spoken like a true republican.

I'll take that over whatever MAGA is.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 days ago (1 children)

MAGA is fascism, full stop. That’s not just my opinion – if you can read this list with honesty and not conclude they’re fascists, you’re lying to yourself:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Supremacy of the Military

Rampant Sexism

Controlled Mass Media

Obsession with National Security

Religion and Government are Intertwined

Corporate Power is Protected

Labor Power is Suppressed

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fraudulent Elections (or claims thereof)

It’s outright fascism. That is not hyperbole. And fascism is always a suicide cult. It destroys everything it touches, including itself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

7. Obsession with National Security

I think they've quietly dropped this one, since they don't seem to mind Trump being owned by a Russian dictator, his son-in-law getting two billion dollars from the Saudis, or Trump stealing classified documents and casually leaving them lying around for foreign agents to help themselves to.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Once he’s back in office, though, this will be one of their main foci again. They’ll go all in on Patriot Act II, barring all foreign entry on the grounds of national security. They basically say that now, just with different words. No more asylum seekers, no more immigrants (which will crash the economy, and they’ll somehow blame that on immigrants, too).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

They'll still sell our land to the Chinese.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

The man literally said he would start deporting millions on day one.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

MAGA is just another level of republican. Like in dragonball, MAGA is nearly the final form, but the final form is fascism.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

I disagree, but only because I equate MAGA and facism. They look exactly the same to me, MAGA just hasn't had the opportunity to exercise their fascist views in full.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Excerpts from a short piece, called "Back to the Wall," by a famous writer; abridged:

The individual soul is under attack...
Ten years ago it may have been inconceivable that the great sweet "cassaba melon" as it was called of "American Century" prosperity was really a great psychic hoax a mirage of electronic mass-hypnosis...
The choice given - or CHOSEN? by us between an oldfashioned politician..., which is to say conservative, and an outright Authoritarian rightwinger? We never had a choice between middle and left, we were always stuck between middle and right. Finally it becomes too much to fight. But the stakes are too great to lose...
To live in a country which supposedly dominates the entire planet and to be responsible for the outrages of ones Own country! Woe to the Germans silent under Hitler woe to the Americans silent now.
Not a matter of Policy, rational discourse etc.
Things no longer merely out of proportion, things are UNREAL. Manipulating the unreal from centers of power - how can the soul endure?
Movie blather, news broadcast blather ... social blather of a totally maladjusted tribe engaged in struggle to retain power-dominance and control over an entire planet (nay an entire solar system!)

He also mentions a "synchronistic putch." The writer is called Allen Ginsberg and this piece was published 1966.
Which is to say, the Overton window has been shifting for a long time and Nazism has never been truly defeated, only forced to hibernate. And certainly not just in the US. At least that's my pessimistic conclusion at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Spoken like a true republican.

That aside (I'm not arguing or disagreeing on that point): he is putting country over party which is something very, very few Republicans are capable of doing and even fewer are actually doing. On that alone, I can throw him some respect.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And he is speaking language that will make voting for Harris more palatable to at least some Republicans

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago

This is the biggest thing. If he were to actually tell the full truth here, he'd be less successful in getting his message across to the people who listen to him. Full truth is the ultimate goal, but we're so far from it that for half the country it's an impossibly huge leap to go from where they are now to the truth in one bound.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

This is a very good point. That line of my post above was a visceral reaction to the whole both-sides are the same argument he's using, but as you say, whatever it takes to get people to feel okay about vote=ing for Harris is worth it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

You are absolutely correct here.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Meh. I'd happily return to the ideological difference of the 90s / 2000s where maybe some facts don't support beliefs. But we're in a very different ballgame now.

And the fact that he's endorsing Harris instead of just saying don't vote for Trump is commendable. Many of my Republican friends that reject Trump can't stomach voting for Harris. It's apparently a very big bridge to cross for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

tell them you're sacrificing too by voting for her! make it a team effort.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

At least he's never put on a red hat, or in any way spoken in favor of the blond antichrist. That's at least something.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

I'll throw in with the other replies. Everything in this comment is political discourse from 2006. Disagreeing with the opposition's policy and at most suggesting that they're dishonest about it.

Right now we're worried about the GOP and their figurehead bringing about one-party rule and loosing the military on their domestic opposition.

I'd want to wind the clock back too, even if it means having to eye roll at conservative rhetoric like this now and then.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

he left office with a projected budget surplus

It wasn't a projected surplus, it was an actual surplus for his final two years. I suppose you could say it was also a projected surplus, but Bush II and Dick "Reagan Proved Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney took care of that right quick.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

You're right, but I think the point they were trying to make was that dubya inherited a surplus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I'm not familiar with all his policies, but he's been good on gerrymandering which is my pet issue, and which I think is key to making progress on pretty much every other issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

violent crime rates are near a 50-year low!

I ~~wonder~~ fear how much this could change in the near-future. :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

well if we start legalizing mushrooms and continue with lead free paint and environmentally perserving economies it might continue to drop! (mushrooms are a natural antidepressant people, get on the funky town ride)

[–] [email protected] 99 points 5 days ago (1 children)

See that’s an immigrant who actually embraced the culture he moved to glares at elon

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I would pay a lot of money to see Arnold beat up Elon in a cage match. Despite the age gap, it wont even be close.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I truly wish we had more politicians that behave in this manner. It should never boil down to my political party versus yours. There shouldn't be any sides to governing this country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think people should behave in this manner and we would live in a better world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Imagine if we banned parties. Made lobbying illegal and funded all of the campaigns for qualified members paid for by the government. Encouraging government figures to campaign less as it saves taxes for their constituates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

No way that government will have a majority to make this happen anytime soon. Interesting idea though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't you miss the days where presidentak candidates stood up for each other .... When GOP McCain defended Obama against outlandish rumors he was a secret Muslim. Seems like those days are long gone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

That's because none of the candidates were Russian assets.

In this election it's almost as if all of them are Russian assets except one.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is the type of republican endorsement Harris should be touting. His politics may be shit but at least he's got broad popularity across the aisle , unlike Cheney and the five delusional people who still think his opinion is worth considering.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I actually think the opposite shows more.

"The orange idiot calls me a communist, but even these pieces of shit are voting for me over him."

I think too many people are confusing am endorsement by a piece of shit and supporting that piece of shit, like Cheney's endorsement somehow will mean Harris agrees with him.

All it means is a massive turd is saying "Don't vote for the diaper full of massive fascsist turds".

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Let it sink in:

Angela Davis - an avowed Marxist-Leninist- and Dick-fucking-Cheney both agree Kamala is the way to go.

How the hell is this election even close?

(And we can add Liz Cheney to that. She and her dad are both neo-con warmongers.)

Edit: any one have a good punchline to “Dick Cheney and Angela Davis walk into a bar….”?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

It boggles the mind. I can't understand ~30% of the population apparently.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

any one have a good punchline to “Dick Cheney and Angela Davis walk into a bar….”?

I don't know who she is but maybe something to do with getting (a) shot?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Oh I've heard of her actually, thanks for the link.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago

Sorry, I'll see myself out.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago

Finally some decent from Arnold.

Dude has been silent afaik.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

“Increased crime”? C’mon, isn’t crime down? Don’t fall for that old white man bogeyman, Arnold.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

nice, good move.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

In one corner, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the other corner, Hulk Hogan.

What year is it?

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