I think in part it's that a few Lemmy communities are extremely active / almost spammy and there's no algorithm filtering how much content you get from each place. In the "All" view, most of the content I see comes from the same couple of Lemmy "meme" communities. So it's no wonder most of the content I'm seeing comes from Lemmy when almost all of it comes from two specific communities which are basically meme factories. If I filter those out, there's suddenly a much bigger variety of content from all around and on my "Subscribed" tab I can see plenty of activity from Kbin communities.
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You can fix this by subscribing to magazines, and then choosing "subscriptions" in the dropdown menu, or defaulting to subscription in your user settings.
I did this, and only the lemmy magazines I subscribe to show in my feed.
I do this as well and sometimes I switch federation off/on. But I would love to have a way to influence how much a magazine/community pops up in my feed though: by giving a "weight" to a magazine/community that could be accounted for in the ranking algorithm, you would be able to prioritize them. If you like a specific magazine you could give it more weight, which could rank all the posts from that community higher on your feed.
But let's say that I don't want all news clogging up my feed. However, when there is something very big going on that gets a lot of upvotes, I still want to read it as it might be something important or more interesting than the average post from that magazine. In that case I would subscribe to the magazine and give it less weight, so only the highest ranked threads show up.
I think @ernest is already way to busy right now though, but I wanted to share my idea anyway :)
What would be helpful is a page, tab, or dropdown menu that shows subscriptions. Prioritizing feeds would be a nice addition...I wonder if it could be done. But ernest definitely has a full load.
What we have currently is pretty good so far, it's not breaking under the intense load of new users migrating. I'm just happy this is working, and navigation is relatively easy.
I liken this to using a new UI, or OS...you just have to get used to it at first, and figure out how it works. Because I was pretty disoriented when I started using it; people just have to jump in and explore to find things and figure out how it works.
The lotrmemes users have been very energetic in aiming to produce content, I must say.
But yeah, you can just blacklist a handful of very active subs.
I wish the front page had a better distribution of posts from magazines. I do not want to log in to filter out the meme factories.
I'll admit it, I've been enjoying the Lemmy activity. Kbin has a better interface and better integration with Mastodon, but I like that we can hook into the other threadiverse apps. I've barely noticed that it's not native kbin content.
Although this bean thing has me avoiding /all right now.
I’m sick with all the dumb posts of poop and beans
I have lemmyshitpost, foodporn, and pics blocked. My kbin experience has pretty much gone back to normal. 😃
What are you subscribed to? I promise not to post about pooh and beans, pinky promise...
This is the way
lemmyshitpost, food communities (who the fuck want's to see meals and get hungry, especially at the end of the day when browsing in bed?!), different language communities, sports communities, and the other odd spammy community or user.
I mean, they share the backend communities/magazines, so it shouldn't matter where a given one lives, but you can turn off showing federated content and you'll only see stuff on kbin.social. Won't see stuff on other kbin instances, though.
Click the little button with three connected nodes. In the desktop Kbin Web UI, it's in the right-hand sidebar. On mobile, it's near the bottom.
Beneath that, you'll see a "Federation status". Click "off".
Don't forget to turn it back on later, though.
You can also browse the list of magazines on kbin.social. Those will all be local.
You can also browse just content on one instance, like only communities on one Lemmy or kbin server, by using the /d/ prefix. So, to view stuff on fedia.io, which also runs kbin, you can do this:
https://kbin.social/d/fedia.io
Or you could just browse to fedia.io's Web UI:
And then do the same "toggle off federated content" thing to see only content on fedia.io.
I don't think that there's a convenient way to see all content from all federated kbin servers but to exclude content on federated Lemmy servers, though.
I just tried turning off federation and I am still seeing some lemmy.world posts, I also tried blocking the instance before that but it doesn't work.
Other people mentioned subscriptions, but I didn't have a lot of subscriptions on the old site so the equivalents here don't have enough activity for that yet. So I really do want a mix of things like how it was working a few days ago.
That approaches my current workflow. View all with federation, view subscriptions with federation and repeat without.
It would be nice to have that as options on the home screen, but it is not an urgent priority.
- Go to magazine search.
- Sub to the ones you like.
- Also sub to the communities on whatever Lemmies you like
- Go to your general settings.
- Click the attached image.
I don't know as a moderator of a few magazine it is really difficult to get people to post.
Hopefully, that will change as more people join.
I think a lot of people are shy about being the noisy one on a magazine, or aren't sure what to post yet.
I agree. I struggle to post to because I don't want to feel like I'm making to much noise.
And why should that matter? That's the whole point of the fediverse.
Kbin.social had been having some issues in the last couple days between a server migration and a huge message backlog.
My dumb ass understanding:
Lemmy has an API that allows for easier and more featured app deployment than kbin.
The vast majority of social media and forum users are fucking around on their phones, and therefore want apps that make it more convenient and better formatted than a phone’s web browser.
Hence, Lemmy is getting more traction because of app availability and features.
I’ve used some of them and the web and mobile interface of kbin is still easier to use than the beta apps of lemmy and web interface. Not sure why so many went the lemmy route other than the rexxit and lemmy was slightly easier at the time to spin up new instances.
Same observation I made here too. Seems like the API for kbin is still being developed.
You totally can view Kbin content. Make sure you're on the "Subscriptions" feed and not the "All" feed.
Additionally, on the sidebar you can go to settings and turn federation off. That'll only show stuff local to Kbin.
Well, it'll only show stuff on your local kbin instance, but it will also exclude stuff from other kbin instances, just as it does other lemmy instances.
This is accurate! In practice it probably doesn't make much difference yet, as there are significantly fewer active instances for Kbin compared to Lemmy as a whole.
True, but I was more speaking on the ability for the API to create new threads, comments, or magazines. This would definitely accelerate the adoption of the platform, not to mention open up the gates for more mobile applications to be developed. IMO that is one of the main things holding everyone back from migrating to kbin given that most Reddit users were on mobile.
It's a mix. I see the same thing as you, but I've also seen some stuff on some Lemmy instances while hopping outside of Kbin that hasn't propagated. Federating is difficult, it seems. It's also hard sometimes to recognize where the post you're replying to really came from, as the link is a Kbin copy. I think there's some URL highlighting addons I haven't looked into yet. Not that it matters to me, as long as my stuff gets out there eventually.
I'm keeping a foot in both domains (and one in lemmy.ml). I'll probably go "primary" on whichever system seems most stable, but right now everything is going up and down. Doesn't matter, I spent more than a decade on reddit, I can wait for the Fediverse to calm down a bit.
And why should that matter? That's the whole point of the fediverse.
Step 1: In the top bar, click Magazines
Step 2: Subscribe to a bunch of zines which sound interesting to you
Step 3: In the top bar, click the icon to the left of your username. 3 vertical dots and 3 horizontal lines.
Step 4: Click "Subscribed"
You will now see your own private feed, comprised of the KBin Magazines you have chosen.
I've noticed that too, and Lemmy people are freakishly devoted to "advertising" it (to the point where I'm like, is this some kind of a socmedia tankie/corporate farm??) but...eh whatever.....I absolutely love shitposting.
It would be nice if Kbin had a “local” sort option like Lemmy does.
Edit: The option does exist, but it’s in a completely different spot: https://kbin.social/m/kbin/t/79735/How-often-do-you-turn-federation-off#comments
I love my local feed on Mastodon. I do wish we could get that without just turning Federation off.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that Lemmy simply is older and better known, and both leads to more communities being created there, which then leads to more content being created there, even if it's kbin users creating that content.
While kbin was only launched a few months ago (April?), Lemmy launched in 2019. Both didn't get much traction before the Reddit blackout, but for the Lemmy users there was more time to create communities which already were there then when kbin users started looking for them. Even those communities that were created on both had a chance of already having a parallel community on Lemmy that possibly was more active (i.e. had at least some posts), so future posters might have decided for the Lemmy one more likely.
And for the "more popular" thing: Lemmy usually was named as the alternative to Reddit, so many Reddit users came to Lemmy, looked for communities they were missing, and created them, possibly before learning of kbin and eventually moving there themselves.
I mean, largely to me this is fine and great as long as the reverse is also true. It's fabulous to have two totally independent systems that are fully interoperable to such an extent.
I don't think there's a meaningful competition in growth or anything, that's just a number. The main downside is reduced development focus...
But -- If Lemmy is like a frontend for kbin and vice versa, isn't that fine? The Lemmy apps will load kbin posts and kbin apps will load lemmy posts.
Lemmy is older than kbin, so it already has a lot of established communities.
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