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[–] [email protected] 181 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They missed the part where he has a history of mental health issues and had heard voices telling him to kill people. He should have lost access to his guns.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Which is something gun control typically aims at

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry bud, best I can do is ban suppressors and shotgun pistol grips. At least they won't be able to shoot you ergonomically.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Dude was literally in a mental hospital for a while, wasn't he?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or you know, we could only give guns to people that really really need them instead of making a hobby out of it

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

This is how it was for the first one hundred years of American existence. "Purposive open carry." Only lawless shit holes had what conservatives want today, habitual open carry. If it was a place with law, open carry without an obvious purpose was a breach of peace.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Ehhhh maybe it's my American showing, but I've known lots of hobbyist clay shooters that are responsible, great people. Not to mention that hunting is more than a hobby to many; it's a way of life. I don't think we should police hobbies to that degree. Much moreso, we should have initial and updated background checks on gun owners.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Is every hobbyist clay shooter a good person? Is their hobby worth the lives of innocent people? Not to mention how easy it is to snap and turn bad. It sucks for the good hobbyists but idc if it means less dead children, they can shoot clay with bbs.

Background checks simply don't work well enough to catch everyone. Mental health issues are hard to spot, it's not like you can just do a blood test.

Honestly, there are soooo many ways to entertain ourselves in our society, people that center their whole lives around guns need to grow the fuck up imo. Fuck the hobby.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Dude you need a to pass a test and have a license for loads of hobbies, people still do them. Even just driving a regular car which is considered a near necessity in some places, we acknowledge that it's dangerous so you need to pass a test and can have your licence taken away if you are a danger to others.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It is already federal law that any gun sale going through a federally licensed firearms dealer (FFL) is required to run a check using the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICs). So initial already yes, updated "if they buy more guns," but still.

Private sales are legal in some states but if you sell to a prohibited possessor you're in deep shit so most people will only do so with a CCW card to show you've been NICs checked and it hasn't been confiscated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you've let the gun lobby tell you what gun control is.

For example in Australia, to buy a gun you first need a firearms license that is granted once you've established that you know how to safely handle a firearm, are not a danger to yourself or others, are not a known criminal and have been a member of a club or range for at least 6 months without creeping people out.

From there, your new guns must be registered and you must be able to produce them on request. Handguns and semi-automatic guns are more heavily restricted, in line with them being far more dangerous to the public.

So do you know what you do if you don't have a license and want to go clay shooting? You book a session at the range and show up.

No license, no background checks, no knowledge of firearms required.

Because do you want to know the dirty little secret the gun lobby has been hiding from you? Gun control advocates don't actually give a shit if people own or use guns if they never kill, maim or traumatise anyone.

Systems like the one above massively reduce the supply of guns to criminals, the number of mass shootings, accidental deaths, suicides, domestic violence homicides.

Meanwhile, in America, the pro-gun crowds ideal gun laws can't even stop a teenager with a history of death threats, rape threats and animal abuse from legally buying two semi automatic weapons, mere days before he used them to kill a room full of children.

That's what gun control is trying to stop and what the pro-gun community inadvertently fights to keep.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago

I mean, a law doesn't have to stop every criminal to be useful, if gun control causes any significant reduction in shooting deaths, it will have saved lives, even if some shootings still occur.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Well, might as well allow everyone to drive cars unrestrictedly since some crazy fucks every once in a while decide to DUI or drive without a license. Nothing can go wrong, right?

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Gun control arguments almost always include things like mental health care and annual health reviews to prevent things like this

Edit: had a bit of a stroke in the middle of that sentence

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You're hinting at universal healthcare, and that's socialism, boy!

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If gun control won’t do anything then we need gun bans. No more controlling them, take them all away.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

If the US wasn't so hung up on the Constitution guns would have already been banned. They give basically anyone extreme executive power, none should have that.

In countries where gun control laws do exist even military personnel are not allowed weapons outside of assigned duties. Partially because anyone can go mad, like this, but mostly because administratively it's easier to just say no one should have a gun then to try and work out who has a legitimate exception.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I’m getting from this post is that the only way for gun control to work is a complete gun ban. I don’t think that’s what the user was wanting

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is weapons grade plutonium restricted when the president can still go crazy?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I agree that gun control is a good thing I strongly doubt it will eliminate the issue as it's only addressing the symptom, not the cause. Free healthcare, fair education and equal rights to achieve something in life are far more important triggers. Of course those require much deeper adjustments to the system and society as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm a "gun nut". Improving the standard of living is the only effective form of gun control.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (17 children)

The rest of the world that has similar issues with shit wages and shit mental health services but nowhere near the gun violence per capita beg to differ

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm taking a shit what do you think about that

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more insightful than OPs take

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

thanks I appreciate it

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This guy was previously admitted by a mental hospital and was up for mental evaluation. Proper gun control would mean he wouldn't have been able to buy that rifle.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Honestly, proper gun control would mean that someone with that diagnosis completely loses access to guns - and yes, that means that his own guns should have been confiscated.

However, we get this after every mass shooting: people say that it's not guns, it's a mental health issue. But as soon as concrete measures are suggested that would keep guns out of the hands of someone who's mentally unstable, those same people will yell at you "SHaLl NoT bE InFRinGeD!!1!1!!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

It's no gun control (read=the absence of gun control), it's mental health, it's poverty. It's not taking care of your citizens.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The states is fucked, but if you think other countries dont have problems with mental health and poverty, but maybe 1 mass shooting in the last 50 years, then I dont know what to tell you

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But that's the American dream isn't it.

Become hyper wealthy and then abuse everyone underneath you. No one in power wants there to be a social ladder, because if there was a social ladder people might try and climb it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not poverty. Most mass shooters are not in poverty. Not well off, sure, but not destitute.

Assault style weapons are expensive.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

What was he doing with a usable bolt in that weapon? We typically had to sign them out for the one day a week we needed them on-base. And there's No Way a reservist would have something like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Doesn’t really matter when uncertified people are killing others with guns every week.

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