this post was submitted on 16 Nov 2023
594 points (98.1% liked)

Technology

59111 readers
4729 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Apple’s China ties under Congressional scrutiny after Jon Stewart cancellation | Lawmakers demand that Apple commit to not censoring content critical of China.::Lawmakers demand that Apple commit to not censoring content critical of China.

top 37 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 130 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Cool, cool, cool.

And just Apple's word and a pinkie swear is enough to trust that they won't censor content for China?

Wake the fuck up, Congress.

Businesses don't give one good god damn about democracy. They don't give one good god damn about allegiances to one nation over another. They give a damn about money, so unless you plan on making Apple open up their fucking internal records and fucking show you that they're not capitulating to China or anyone else, you can bet your ass they are.

How do all these fucking self-professed capitalists on Capitol Hill not understand how capitalism works?

EDIT: I want to make clear, this isn't meant to be a "China BAD" post. It's a "You can't trust people whose bottom line is always money" post. Who they capitulate to is less important than the fact that they're willing to toss out morals and ethics for money.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

How is this any different from networks firing hosts / pulling content because sponsors threaten to pull their ads?

I'm fully on the "fuck corps that cave to China's childish demands" side. I'm still boycotting Blizzard after the Free HK scandal.

But I think it's their choice to capitulate for access to China's market, and it's my choice to stop doing business with them as a result. I don't think it's the government's place to essentially tell a company they can't do business in China, unless it's literally a national security thing like electronics with Spyware / backdoors.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I'll make the "China bad" post. There are very few governments with an ego as fragile as China's. It barely even makes sense since they have the weight and soft power to lead by example, or develop healthy ties with the rest of the world. But they just. Don't. It really gives the impression that all is not well within their borders.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

They are paid very handsomely to not wake up. Things need to change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Apple would no doubt prefer to have its cake and eat it too—keep the show and its revenue without facing retaliation from the CCP. If Congress gives them a plausible excuse to do that, why wouldn’t they?

[–] [email protected] 72 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Ffffuuuccccckkkk China the government. Get your fucking jets out of Taiwan airspace. Each time you do(5am), our jets have to scramble and it wakes everyone up. Fucking stop. We trying to sleep.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but aren't you now even more positively inclined towards "reunification"? /s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Oh man. It just pisses us off even more. I def not going to vote for the KMTs. The front runner is a douche for the KMTs.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am very sorry you all are living like that, it would drive me mad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It's worse right now because the next Taiwan election is coming up soon and they want to intimidate us into voting for the KMT faction which wants to merge into the CCP.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Real question. Does Tiwan in average care for English speaking tourists? Because I’d love to bring my family. I have always wanted to go to china too, but, yeah, maybe not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It does, you will feel very welcome there. In Taipei, English is no problem at all

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

If you come here, you will almost be treated like a celebrity. Almost everyone speaks English or tries extremely hard to communicate with you. If you have kids, it's a very kid friendly country. They value kids welfare above all. So you will find many places are geared towards family and moms and kids.

If you come here and visit. Feel free to DM me. I'll give you some pointers!

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking Jon Stewart of all people wouldn’t talk about certain political situations. Apple TV + looks like it won’t last long if all their content is pandering to Winnie.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

When has Jon ever shied away from any discussion?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Padme: These protections will extend to criticisms of Israel, right?

Anakin: ...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Has someone's show been cancelled over criticisms of Israel?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'd consider Israel's recent movements, to ban Journalism the government disagrees with, to be far more dangerous that a private company cancelling a show...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Sure, but I mean in countries like US.

China bans all kinds of stuff within their own borders already and nobody bats an eye...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Not a TV show specifically, but Ai Weiwei's gallery exhibition in London was canceled due to a tweet he posted regarding the Hamas attack and Israel. Whatever you feel about their specific comments or circumstances, several individuals and events have been affected due to an actual or perceived pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel message.

https://forward.com/culture/567702/palestinian-cultural-events-cancelled-censorship-israel/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It's illegal to boycott Israel in 35 states, does that count?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Apple, first trillion dollar company by being cheap pieces of shit and overcharging for cheap products made in China. Fuck apple.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ties to China?? Uhh how about "hundreds of millions of people in China buy our phones" and that's a lottttttt of money"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Ideally we wouldn't sacrifice our ideals of freedom for money. This is America though and we're all capitalist whores first and foremost though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think compelled speech is as legal as prohibited speech. Great that Congress develops a spine in an issue they're legally incapable of affecting.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Congress is absolutely capable of affecting this. For example they could force Apple to withdraw from China (they way they have done with Nvidia).

(I'm not saying they will, but they definitely could)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


These steps, lawmakers wrote, are critical to help address "broader concerns about indirect Chinese Communist Party (CCP) influence over the creative expression of American artists and companies on CCP-related topics."

Lawmakers wrote that Cook's "recent trip to Beijing" makes it appear as if "maintaining a positive relationship with the CCP may be a priority given ongoing supply chain and financial dependencies."

"We support the ability of artists, writers, studios, and streaming services alike to create content without fear of potential CCP retaliation and punishment," lawmakers wrote.

"We similarly encourage American technology companies to diversify their supply chains, reduce their potential susceptibility to CCP pressure, and decrease their overall dependence on" China.

That is the primary focus of the House's Select Committee on Competition with the Chinese Communist Party, and in the lawmakers' letter to Cook, they said that "potential decisions to not renew shows, or not produce a film or show in the first place, due to anticipated CCP objections to particular content deny US viewers and global audiences access to important information" about China that "reflects a broader variety of perspectives" and "speaks to an important geopolitical challenge of our time."

Lawmakers noted that if a major star like Jon Stewart can be censored, there can be little hope for "an aspiring comedian who wants to use satire to make broader points about human rights and authoritarianism."


The original article contains 750 words, the summary contains 228 words. Saved 70%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Hoc cogito, ergo dico hoc

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Next Wednesday they'll demand censorship of content critical of Israel and the US MIC as "disinformation".