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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Is he unable or does he just rip off Hitler because it seems to be working for him?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Remains to be seen. Mostly full-on bloviation at this point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Both, and also he just loves Hitler and everything he stood for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Oh, it is working magnificently. Dictator talk has always been big among a poor, desperate, ignorant populace as it makes it sound so comforting to be a select group and to have ridged rules against all others - it never works that way, but never mind that.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I hope the Americans realise that they will be electing their death certificate if it's this clown.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Some of us do. I fear not enough this time.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

I’m sure most of us who are on Lemmy are all too aware of it. But man, you should see what some of our neighbors are like!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nothing we can do. We can try to explain to his supporters but they are so brainwashed it's futile. The only one who can save us are the courts trying to lock him up, and we know how swift the justice system is here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Bullshit. You can get out there and VOTE. You can also get everyone else you know to do the same

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Everyone I know? I know a few trumpers. I do vote but as I said we can't change dumpster supporters minds.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Don't give up. I also work on the ones that are just vote-apathetic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

They are unreachable. Ignore them. It's the few remaining honest-to-god swing voters that we need to reach and convince.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

America can probably dodge fascists for a while yet but wealthy neoliberals have spent millions of hours and billions of dollars trying to ensure that anyone who might genuinely fix things never has the power to do so.

There's the giant media companies looking to maximise their profits through manipulation and cronyism, rather than anything resembling actual journalism.

The legal system that's reluctant to investigate, prosecute or punish corporations and the ultra wealthy at the head of them, but enthusiastic about throwing poor people in for profit prisons.

Tech companies that will platform any reprehensible views in exchange for a few dollars of ad impressions, pumping their users for pennies with an elaborate emotional slot machine.

Then of course the open political corruption. Gerrymandering, insider trading, disenfranchised voters, voting machines with no paper trail and a deeply flawed election system where any vote that isn't for one of the two neoliberal parties is functionally thrown in the bin.

When we can't stand it any more, we're fed bullshit non-solutions instead, written and published by the problems themselves and designed to make them even richer.

"The free market will fix it. Buying more guns will fix it. Electing a man with the communication skills and emotional regulation of a toddler will fix it. Murdering people based on the amount of melanin in their body will fix it".

Each one has already been tried and each one has failed to even dent the issue, because if they had any chance of succeeding then they would have banded together to undermine them in a bipartisan act of class solidarity.

And fuck, that's just the politics. The same insatiably greedy, neoliberal trash is also responsible for the impending climate breakdown, endless wars and unprecedented levels of unemoloyment and homelessness because no matter how much we give them, they just can't say "no" to profits.

We need to vote, but we also need so much more than voting. We need the entire world to unite in protest, demanding their governments either acknowledge the rights, freedoms and entitlements of every person on the planet, or be held accountable when they don't.

So it's not hard to see why people might get disillusioned when "maybe if we abuse minorities more, we'll be able to own homes again" still seems to be an idea people want to explore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You are—tragically—100% percent correct in my opinion. That is as I also see, the reality we live in. The shortsighted Neoliberal imbéciles would choke to death on a dollar if they had to eat their way to a penny.

However.

Even though things will, to heavily understate, suck, I'd urge you to not fully give in to despair. Last time Fascism rose, it bit them in the ass and they backed the other horse eventually.

I am not looking forward to dodging (or liquidating) brown shirts and Nazis, so if we can avoid that and just be poised for when climate catastrophe puts on the knife-edge of "this has never happened before" that would be great.

Those with thoughts like yours will be needed. The Resistance will need leaders and scholars to delineate the purpose.

Reality sucks and we shouldn't have to fight for it because of thousands of greedy piggies, but it's manifesting and we'll have to decide.

We need to vote. We should all vote. Then start working on what we need beyond that in what little steps we all can. The literal morning after the election, preferably.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It's ok, because he'll get a lot of foreigners killed, too.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I think he's just regressing to early childhood. I bet his KKK-associated dad played recordings of Hitler's speeches

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

He apparently reads Hitler's speeches in bed. Has a book of them on his nightstand.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

I find this highly unlikely as I say Trump is barely literate.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's ok cuz the book was given to him by a Jew. (It wasn't, but he said it was in an interview and it turns out that the gift-giver's name has "Gold" in it, so the Nazi-flavored Cheeto assumed he was a Jew)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is there a larger treatment on Fred vs Donald?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apologies for the American ignorance, but I don't understand what you mean by "treatment" in this context

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I just mean like an episode or series on Fred Trump and his influence on Mr. Trump

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh! Yea, the felon has frequently talked about how his dad was an inspiration and role model in multiple speeches. Take this with a grain of salt though, because I hate his fascist voice and haven't independently verified this

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Prior to eviction laws, Papa Trump would plan to tear down slum apartment buildings, but allow black families to move in. Then kick them all out the day of demolition, without warning. The Trumps and Kushners have all always been literal psychopaths.

[–] Lophostemon 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can Hitler’s estate sue him for copyright theft?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (5 children)

You joke but there's no Hitler's Estate. His progeny decided not to procreate and essentially all died out after WW2.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Holy shit so he didn't go back in time to kill Hitler, he went to the future and killed future Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

That's why Trump is taking up the mantle

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That sounds like a fun twist to some hilariously bad WW2 fan-fiction

[–] Lophostemon 6 points 10 months ago

I do indeed joke.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Maybe Trump's family will follow the same lead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They legally changed names

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hitler has always been Donald J. Tramps role model I imagine...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There have been rumors for years that he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches by his bedside. He also has spoken glowingly of how various dictators keep their populace in line.

Of course, by himself Trump is too clumsy to install a dictatorship. If it was just him, I'd predict a second Trump term would involve a lot of bad stuff, but no outright dictatorship as he'd get distracted by some Twitter/X/Truth Social feud.

However, once you add in Project 2025 and similar people who would likely have roles in Trump's second administration, then things get truly scary. They admire dictators too and they are capable of planning and executing the death of democracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're right. To add onto that it was Ivana who said he kept this book near his bed, it always been pretty credible.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Literal puppet.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

It's just become really scary at this point, to be honest. The right have debased themselves so thoroughly, the only thing they have left is to actually elect this fucking psycho and be "right"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Humans tend to imitate those we idolize, don’t we?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

What's next? Invading Poland?

No, invading Mexico.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Modification of Godwins Law:

As a speech of a populist (ex-)president grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I love Wonkette so very much. A national treasure.