"Canonical announced it was building an all-snap, immutable version of Ubuntu for home users called Ubuntu Core Desktop."
I don't like the sound of this.
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I can only imagine what a call to 'mount' is going to look like.
There might be a delay
Sounds exactly like the Snap version of Fedora Silverblue. Which is actually pretty great.
If only snap packages weren't utter garbage and the authors actually tested them before pushing them out.
“Test it in production.”
Ah yes, the Microsoft way.
Probably should have not liked Fedora Silverblue either? Or is it just illogical hivemind hatred?
Yeah, it sounds like the desktop version of an Iphone.
I don't believe iOS and Android use immutable filesystems to the extent some Linux distros do, like openSuse Aeon, Fedora Silverblue, Nixos, etc. iOS and Android just make it more difficult to gain root access.
They do. By default the system partition is straight up mounted read-only.
They probably realized snaps are garbage and are still trying to desperately un-garbage them before the release.
Snaps are technically superior to Flatpaks. They allow running sandboxed system integrated programs, a capability no other packaging system has in existence. Cry.
When they fix whatever fever dream du has when using snaps I'll think about it.
I'll take snaps over flatpak myself
My belief is use the appropriate tool for the job, without inserting ideology into it. If I find Flatpak nice, I will use it. Same goes for Snap or AppImage. Linux package method wars are as dumb as Cola Wars or console/smartphone wars.
I do the same but I still have a preference. I agree it's dumb.
Isn’t that also the case for Flatpacks?
No, Snaps are the only packaging system capable of sandboxing and running system integrated programs.
Oh you mean for command line applications, yes, Flatpacks cannot do that yet. Personally I manually enable Snaps in the distros I use, as some apps only exist there, but have been orienting myself where I can limit the exposure to only the packages I want.
My money is on its not pushing Pro hard enough.
Can someone suggest a community for linux noob like me? Installed U-Mate yesterday. I may need an active community specifically created for new users.
This community is full of noobs, feel free to post your questions.
The only reason I'm still using Canonical's bullshit after they tried to kill Unity, tried to force Snap on me and put ads in the shell is because of Rudra Saraswat. His Ubuntu Unity flavor is really good once you remove snapd.
I guess I have a little while longer to migrate all my servers to a new OS.
Edit: oh this is for home users. Well, it’s only a matter of time before this is rolled out to Ubuntu Server.
Fuck Canonical anyway.
Canonical still does more for the Linux desktop than most of us ever have or ever will
Agreed.
Neverless, fuck Canonical.
Now proceed to do something for Linux.
I do. I send in bug reports when I run into one, and try to provide details and context appropriate to the problem. I don't know how to code, so that's about as much as I can do.
Just because Canonical has done something right doesn't mean they are immune to blame for doing something wrong, and they have done some shit.
Canonical has done something
Linux is mainstream solely because of Canonical/Ubuntu. End of story. No, there was no WINE or Valve doing that, they were only supplemental over time.
Yes, I believe I did acknowledge that. Doesn't mean they're immune to blame for shit they did wrong.
And what is this "shit" thing they did? Snaps are technically superior to the beloved Flatpaks in Linux community.
Increasing analytics over time, that bullshit decision around 2015/6 to give an option to connect all your accounts to your canonical account, and yes snap. And no it's not superior because although the frontend is open-source, the backend is still proprietary; that one fact alone is not a dealbreaker necessarily, but it is problematic and I don't like it.
Now, if the backend were to be made open-source, I would absolutely no problem with snap. I think it is otherwise is a great solution to the problem of fragmentation in the Linux community. But as it is, its increasing adoption is concerning. Closed-source stuff is the antithesis of the foss movement, and the longer it is proprietary the more easily it will be that ill-meaning companies are able to infect the foss landscape with their poison.
You see it as a solution; I see it as a risk.
around 2015/6 to give an option to connect all your accounts to your canonical account
Oh no, an option! Bet you lambast KDE too for their horrific telemetry module, because nobody does it like them. They even include a wallet thing.
yes snap [...] Closed-source stuff
Opinion discarded. Snap is not closed source. Canonical's repo is, but you could have your own snap repo.
Oh no, an option!
Just the fact that they would consider such a tie-your-identity-to-a-corporation idea for a open operating system (in addition to the increasing telemetry baked into the distro itself) is concerning.
Bet you lambast KDE too for their horrific telemetry module, because nobody does it like them. They even include a wallet thing.
Not really. I don't know anything about KDE.
Snap is not closed source. Canonical's repo is, but you could have your own snap repo.
Irrelevant. Most people will not resort to using anything but the default repo, and it is, as we agree, proprietary. FOSS is not about walled gardens, controlled by closed licenses; it's about transparency and fairness.
Opinion discarded.
You know, you're really starting to be an ass. Fucking chill. I insulted a corporation, not your mother.
Now you've borned so much executable type. Why can't you release the source code of the software to "make sure there isn't malware" and pledge and unveil it.
It was nice while it lasted. Moved to MX.